What to charge per m2?

[Russell brown]

Hi I know this is a public forum but I can't join the private one yet, don't expect anyone to discuss prices on here but if you could PM me I'd appreciate it. I've been asked to tile a chimney Brest in something similar to this http://tilestapstubs.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Black-Slate-Wall-Cladding-DCW012-1.jpg but not sure what to charge per m2 as its a lot more labour intensive having to wet cut all the external mitres etc.. I'd really like this job to add to my portfolio so don't want to go in to cheap and end up working for nothing and to dear and end up losing it. Hopefully got a full ensuite install to do for the same customer aswell.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

But that's the fun!
You will not win on every job (ie cover your wages) but with this type of material you just have to allow a certain length of time 1/2 days and put your rate in accordingly.
I've got 4 large panels to do around a swimming pool and they will have 50mm mitred returns - so should be Fun!

 

[Andy Allen]

Small or awkward jobs i would price on a dayrate so not to lose out.

 

[ttt tiling]

Forget m2 prices , I work out how long (worst case) and price accordingly
If you want to secure the following job , price it best case and swallow the loss!
Its all in a days work!

 

[Aston]

I agree with Andy,
day rate for small jobs
price per meter on larger areas.

find out the average price in your area by ringing a few tile shops and then aim at the higher end. who knows, you might even get it ;0) and if you don't then you can always renegotiate because its easier to come down in price, than it is to go up!

 

[Russell brown]

There's 8m2 around the Brest, I've also got to remove a stone lintel that's sticking out and replace with a concrete one that's flush plus sand the paint off the walls. I've never used a tile like this so how long would you expect it to take you to tile that sort of area mitring the external corners as I'm imagining it's quite labour intensive. I know everyone works at different speeds but there's a day for me to replace the lintel and prep the walls.

 

[Andy Allen]

I would allow at least 2 days to tile it. .

 

[aussie tiling]

lt might be worth asking if they do the fingers with this tile i.e. they lock in on external corners, much faster and looks better imo. Atleast you don't have to grout.

 

[Russell brown]

lt might be worth asking if they do the fingers with this tile i.e. they lock in on external corners, much faster and looks better imo. Atleast you don't have to grout.

Thanks for that Tip!. That must be a right time saver.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

lt might be worth asking if they do the fingers with this tile i.e. they lock in on external corners, much faster and looks better imo. Atleast you don't have to grout.

'fingers' - you'll have to enlighten me!

 

[Dash J]

Totally agree with Andy on this one,
day rate for small jobs
price per meter on larger areas otherwise you will always be working for peanuts.

find out the average price in your area by ringing a few tile shops and then aim at the higher end. who knows, you might even get it ;0) and if you don't then you can always renegotiate because its easier to come down in price, than it is to go up!

Rule number one is never to come down in price
what does that say about you if you are willing to knock something off
put a price in and stick to it
surely you must have some idea of your rates?
if they are not happy with cost then walk away
no point in taking your portfolio to the job centre
because of working for nothing

 

[Russell brown]

Totally agree with Andy on this one,
day rate for small jobs
price per meter on larger areas otherwise you will always be working for peanuts.

find out the average price in your area by ringing a few tile shops and then aim at the higher end. who knows, you might even get it ;0) and if you don't then you can always renegotiate because its easier to come down in price, than it is to go up!

Rule number one is never to come down in price
what does that say about you if you are willing to knock something off
put a price in and stick to it
surely you must have some idea of your rates?
if they are not happy with cost then walk away
no point in taking your portfolio to the job centre
because of working for nothing

i know what I charge normally for tiling. This however I've never used so was wondering if it's as labour intensified as I think and need to price accordingly. I've walked away from jobs because I'm not willing to drop my prices. I was called out to look at a job the other week a tiler had laid 50m2 of 60x60 polished porcelain on uneven floor supply materials for what I wanted to charge for laying the remainder 25m2 with materials. When she told me the price I told her to wait until her guy was available as I wouldn't be doing it for that and left.

 

[Dash J]

If you think that the job is going to be more then accommodate that into your cost
What I'm getting at is surely you must know what you would be happy with?
You can't price something at 8m2 that's going to take you three days
You have day rates?

 

[aussie tiling]

(Fingers) every second strip in the tile is shorter by the thickness of the tile so they lock in. Like a mortice and tennant joint

 

[Andy Allen]

(Fingers) every second strip in the tile is shorter by the thickness of the tile so they lock in. Like a mortice and tennant joint

Can't realy see the link on my phone but from what I can see I think the patern is on a rectangle tile that is but jointed to look like split faced mosaic. ...topps do one thats a right pain to use..

 

[Old Mod]

If they are individual pieces of stone they are a breeze to fix! They fly up and as has been mentioned no grouting that's always a plus! As far as mitring goes, never done it but they are as soft as they come. Would imagine a good profiling blade would tear into them. Couldn't imagine it taking more than two days at worst. BUT DONT QUOTE ME! Haha good luck.

 

[Russell brown]

If I'm honest I was thinking 2 days but wanted to check with someone who was experienced with a tile like this just to make sure I was about right

 

[Old Mod]

One other thing, if they are similar to what I've encountered before watch for rust marked pieces.

 

[Sean Kelly]

This might be a silly question, but why mitre the edges? The design of the tiles are random size, random depth. You will have to match each individual tile depth with another of the same depth.

Also, aren't these tiles on a interlocking mosaic mesh?

another also!!! These tiles are slate, will they not chip when mitred?

Last also............you will have to wet cut them (because they are slate).

8sqm and no grouting = 2 days at your daily rate.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

This might be a silly question, but why mitre the edges? The design of the tiles are random size, random depth. You will have to match each individual tile depth with another of the same depth.

Also, aren't these tiles on a interlocking mosaic mesh?

another also!!! These tiles are slate, will they not chip when mitred?

Last also............you will have to wet cut them (because they are slate).

Told you it was going to be fun ... And in my case (4 display panels) the return is going to be no more than 50mm. Looks like my son is going to have a great few days out in the sun.
But the end result will look great - its in onyx slate.

 

[Russell brown]

This might be a silly question, but why mitre the edges? The design of the tiles are random size, random depth. You will have to match each individual tile depth with another of the same depth.

Also, aren't these tiles on a interlocking mosaic mesh?

another also!!! These tiles are slate, will they not chip when mitred?

Last also............you will have to wet cut them (because they are slate).

8sqm and no grouting = 2 days at your daily rate.

yes they're all what you've said.

im thinking mitre the edges as a bead will look crap, but I'm open to suggestions. As for matching the the different depths I was just going to use the same tile to return round the corner and just cut the opposite 45 degree onto it. But if someone's got a better way I'm all ears, like I've said ive not done anything with a tile like this before.

yes interlocking individual pieces on mesh

hopefully a decent blade in a wet cutter will reduce the chipping

 

[Russell brown]

Can't realy see the link on my phone but from what I can see I think the patern is on a rectangle tile that is but jointed to look like split faced mosaic. ...topps do one thats a right pain to use..

thats the one they've seen but I've just been to see my mate at his shop to see if he can get something similar at a better price although ive got an account with topps I get better discount from my mate. Why's it a pain if they do decide to go with that tile?

 

[Andy Allen]

thats the one they've seen but I've just been to see my mate at his shop to see if he can get something similar at a better price although ive got an account with topps I get better discount from my mate. Why's it a pain if they do decide to go with that tile?

My client wanted them in a wet room...grouted and siliconed....imo there not suitable for that.....feature walls only.....hence why they wete a pain..

 

[aussie tiling]

If there interlocking you don't need to mitre as has been mentioned you can never get them to match up mitreing. Bonus though the field tiles fly up