Sand and cement fixing = proper tilers,how many on here can do it ? Remember we can use adhesive but can you fix tiles with s&c
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Italy
you can make sand concrete, but with the size of the video, you can not say that the work and 'perfect
How often do you fix tiles using this method? If it was a situation that I came across on a regular basis then I would learn how to do it but in 12/13 years I've never once found the need to do it. I'm upset now as I always considered myself a proper tiler but obviously I'm not!
No ive not used s&c for many years now but if the occasion rose i could , just saying
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Old Mod
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
you cannot beat s/c fixing out side on paths and patio s .if you need to lift a floor height up 30 to 50mm on concarete .you will not do it faster or cheaper than fixing with s/c an avarage tilers that i worked with would lay and tile 20 m2 a day a top one 30 to 40 m2 a day .
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One Day
nah! There are plenty of old school tilers who could fix with s&c but can't tile for toffee!
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Italy
you are old!!!!!!! lol
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Italy
then I was a top.........🙁 was...
855, member: 42603"]Haha good to see u posting again @Brian the Tile,
Nice to see u haven't changed! 😉[/QUOTE]
No,no change from me and Can still kick it either way with the rest and them that think they are the best ,just saying
Nice to see u haven't changed! 😉[/QUOTE]
No,no change from me and Can still kick it either way with the rest and them that think they are the best ,just saying
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Aston
this method is not as 'skill demanding' as some people are making out. any decent modern tiler could crack this in 2 weeks. tiling walls in sand and cement would take a little bit longer but floor tiling is not difficult.
what is apparent reading this thread is, some people still can't rely on their own personal experience and understanding when it comes to setting times, adhesives admixes and bonding agents.
if i said, would sand and cement stick to a glass wall, pretty much all of you would say no, it would not be able to stick/bond/adhere. you would all agree that we would have to add something really sticky or to the glass and the mix? so use that same rationale when in comes to a porcelain tiles, dense concrete, bitumen or anything else that doesn't allow the penetration of water in a controlled period of time..
i'm honestly not patronising here, i understand that people can get a bit over awed when old schoolers come on and talk about the 'old ways of the force ;0) lol listen, trust me, learn and understand your setting times and adhesion and do a bit of floor levelling with a few bags of wet sand and a level and you will be so confident, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about (once again, sand and cement wall tiling is a bit more time consuming and a bit more tricky because you have got gravity working against you that's all.
what is apparent reading this thread is, some people still can't rely on their own personal experience and understanding when it comes to setting times, adhesives admixes and bonding agents.
if i said, would sand and cement stick to a glass wall, pretty much all of you would say no, it would not be able to stick/bond/adhere. you would all agree that we would have to add something really sticky or to the glass and the mix? so use that same rationale when in comes to a porcelain tiles, dense concrete, bitumen or anything else that doesn't allow the penetration of water in a controlled period of time..
i'm honestly not patronising here, i understand that people can get a bit over awed when old schoolers come on and talk about the 'old ways of the force ;0) lol listen, trust me, learn and understand your setting times and adhesion and do a bit of floor levelling with a few bags of wet sand and a level and you will be so confident, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about (once again, sand and cement wall tiling is a bit more time consuming and a bit more tricky because you have got gravity working against you that's all.
I've been tiling all my working life and I'm 50 next month and I've never used s/c to fix tiles and in all that time I've never came across a situation where I needed to.
And if I did I would give them Brian's number...lol
Sounds to much like hard work to me......and I ain't got a cement mixer..🙂
And if I did I would give them Brian's number...lol
Sounds to much like hard work to me......and I ain't got a cement mixer..🙂
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Italy
This is my thought, up to 10/15 years ago, I placed only s & c. Now with tiles present, increasingly less thickness, larger and larger, of course, to have less thick tiles, the cooking is automatically lifted and the flatness is not perfect, poses s & c is no longer suitable. Now with a leveling system it is also able to accommodate a non-planar tile.
After this, I think a young tiler although it is capable of s & c there is nothing wrong, instead think of laying a floor with s & c, might consider to qualify on factors concerning the future of the tile example: thin porcelain and its equipment or systems of that type scluther UK are used a lot.
this is just my thoughts, then every tiler is free to think what he wants, if in previous posts I have expressed adequately only because I thought it was a joke, I thought that pose S & C is no longer considered being outdated .sorry) I do not want to talk about the videos, because that person is not a tiler.
p.s I think I thought too .......😉
After this, I think a young tiler although it is capable of s & c there is nothing wrong, instead think of laying a floor with s & c, might consider to qualify on factors concerning the future of the tile example: thin porcelain and its equipment or systems of that type scluther UK are used a lot.
this is just my thoughts, then every tiler is free to think what he wants, if in previous posts I have expressed adequately only because I thought it was a joke, I thought that pose S & C is no longer considered being outdated .sorry) I do not want to talk about the videos, because that person is not a tiler.
p.s I think I thought too .......😉
But you must have a shovel lol,bloke i served my time with used to say he had a mixer if anyone asked ,walks talks and brews up ,me lol
Nowt wrong with a bit of hard work, and the easiest way is not always the best way
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J Sid
50 next month, have I read that somewhere before.......not getting worried about it Andy?.....
I'm the same as you and started at 19 and all I did for the first 5 years of my tiling life was labouring then apprentice in the art of floor tiling into sand and cement doing factories, breweries and dairies.
Some of these floors were big , 12 to 15 times the size of a football pitch.
All pointed in black epoxy.....
They were the days ..
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
well s/c has its place when you have to tile a floor and they want to fix the kitchen 3 days later but need a 30mm+ plus build up on concarete there no better way some tilers have been tiling for years and have not offered this because they dont know how to but thats not there fault they just never got the chance realy its quite easy to do when i get a bit of time i will do a vid and show just how easy it is and how quick
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White Room
That'll be good Ray.
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
just to bring you up to date they fix thin tiles in china and india into s/c all the time .why are the thin tiles you are fixing platness is not perfect ?they should have a tolarance over 600x1200 of less than 1/10 of a mm .only 30% of all tiles fixed in the world are fixed with adhesive 70% in s/c even today .even thin tiles
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White Room
Last time was at your Ray wasn't those 2 Chinese ladies discussing about the s/c fixing not going well or just checking out the adhesive.
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J Sid
Ray, it is easy to do I agree. Trouble is building regs don't always allow it as I have found out on the job I am doing later in the week.
40m2 floor to be built up 80mm ish , building control said no, had to find another solution.
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
the understanding of adhesive and how to use it.is a big problem in china .and like the uk some tiles have fear of fixing it just dont want to change
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J Sid
Ray.
Needs insulation underneath of a thickness which would leave the screed to thin. This is over a block and beam floor rather than a concrete base (which would probably have the required insulation already in), but do agree it could/would have been a good and cost effective solution.
Needs insulation underneath of a thickness which would leave the screed to thin. This is over a block and beam floor rather than a concrete base (which would probably have the required insulation already in), but do agree it could/would have been a good and cost effective solution.
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White Room
Did have a call from a guy about the porcel thin up in the docklands and his guys had had no experience with them, surprised he never got in contact with you.
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
next time ask them for the thermal property of beam and block per mm .then ask them the same for there insalation per mm dont forget to ask also the same of s/c per mm next the tile then ask what is the total we are looking for over all .i think you will here a long silence
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
they may well have done .but all trades will think the bloke in the shop has not got clue
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Italy
we have not understood, thin porcelain flatness ok. I mean 600x1200 or 1000x1000 200x1200 etc. 9 / 10mm thickness. honestly I have not find any planar.
as regards china india etc., I believe that there is nothing to learn regarding the laying of tiles.
I repeat, it's just my thought, I may be wrong.
and I can also cambiared mind.
because only the foolish never change mind 😉
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
10mm marmox boards on a block and beam floor will give the same insaltion challenge them to prove you wrong
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
well the day i start to believe i cant learn more about fixing tiles from around the world oh my god i must be italian heres a few pics from china fixed in s/c and they fix a mosaic or two my god they must be rubbish
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