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jimthetiler
I would need to see some one give each tile a tap looking for hollows.
nice looking girl tho
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Simon benn Leeds
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Colour Republic
That's a pretty weak arguement
I give you exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C...
To be honest all the things you've said like 'why would a decent tiler need them', 'what about voids under the tile' etc etc where all the things many experienced tilers said on here 5-6 years ago when they first started appearing. Your reaction is completely normal!
I can't find the exact early thread i'm thinking of as I know I too posted those same concerns. But here's a prime example from 2009 - lash clips not for me!
Now fast forward 2 years to 2011 and the same members who wouldn't be seen dead using them have suddenly come round to the idea. -
Lash clips etc Again !
Time and a place for everything and do you know what, I don't think it's killed the trade like some thought it would do and so they are now an acceptable art of the trade for many.
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Colour Republic
sorry the 2011 thread link should have been this one - Lash clips etc Again !
Maybe a friendly mod might edit my post 😉
Maybe a friendly mod might edit my post 😉
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Qwerty
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My new favorite mod😀
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
well every day the carpenters job has got easy new tools same old wood well you cant say the same about tiling in 20 years how much has the rubi changed or the sigma very little. how much have the tiles changed the substrates and so on .so the best thing for tilling so far has to be yes you guessed it the grinder with a diamond blade .maybe the wet saw but not every day use .lash clips do they improve your skill or take away from it .only time will tell .when the day comes when you cant fix without them how good are you realy .and how do you compare to a diyer using the same .That's a pretty weak arguement
I give you exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C...
To be honest all the things you've said like 'why would a decent tiler need them', 'what about voids under the tile' etc etc where all the things many experienced tilers said on here 5-6 years ago when they first started appearing. Your reaction is completely normal!
I can't find the exact early thread i'm thinking of as I know I too posted those same concerns. But here's a prime example from 2009 - lash clips not for me!
Now fast forward 2 years to 2011 and the same members who wouldn't be seen dead using them have suddenly come round to the idea. - lash clips not for me!
Time and a place for everything and do you know what, I don't think it's killed the trade like some thought it would do and so they are now an acceptable art of the trade for many.
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Simon benn Leeds
That's a pretty weak arguement
I give you exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C...
To be honest all the things you've said like 'why would a decent tiler need them', 'what about voids under the tile' etc etc where all the things many experienced tilers said on here 5-6 years ago when they first started appearing. Your reaction is completely normal!
I can't find the exact early thread i'm thinking of as I know I too posted those same concerns. But here's a prime example from 2009 - lash clips not for me!
Now fast forward 2 years to 2011 and the same members who wouldn't be seen dead using them have suddenly come round to the idea. -
Lash clips etc Again !
Time and a place for everything and do you know what, I don't think it's killed the trade like some thought it would do and so they are now an acceptable art of the trade for many.
Based on the promo video , as a tiler of 20 years there is nothing on the video that makes me feel the urge to rush out and buy this system.
Imo the scenarios of the guy in the video, (I.e small, square, plumb bathrooms think it would slow me down and add unnecessary cost, and make tiling more accessible for the DIY enthusiast, which I think the promo video is geared towards (DIY and plumbers). now having conversations with @_3fall I am of the understanding and in agreement that they CAN be of use to professional tilers in certain applications. But the video does not outline this, it pretty much implies that anyone can tile a bathroom.
If this is going to be a part of tiling progression and the next generation are taught using this method how will they develop skills when the system can not be used?
just my opinions, and I'm sure people who get used to using them cant tile without them ha (no dig intended)? 🙂
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Simon benn Leeds
I'm definitely coming round to the idea of the lash clips on large format tiles, I take it there's still an element of bedding up on uneven floors?
As for the Acorn system? Not too sure yet but would be interesting to get feed back from people who have a lot of experience using them..
So I will leave it as NEVER say NEVER!...
As for the Acorn system? Not too sure yet but would be interesting to get feed back from people who have a lot of experience using them..
So I will leave it as NEVER say NEVER!...
My thought was always down the line of, if you're holding a tile up with clips that would otherwise fall/dip, then surely it needs pulling up and more adhesive applying; not holding up until what adhesive is under it sets.
Then add that to the fact large tiles are hard to get full coverage under without extra water in the mix etc and you have loads of chances to end up with voids and whatnot.
But as said; I've not used them and the lads who have do rate them. Especially the wedge type.
Then add that to the fact large tiles are hard to get full coverage under without extra water in the mix etc and you have loads of chances to end up with voids and whatnot.
But as said; I've not used them and the lads who have do rate them. Especially the wedge type.
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Ceramic Art Ste
I've used raimondi lash and rubi. There ok to use on large format calibrated tiles on an uneven subfloor. Other than that they add cost to the job and slow you right down. Think there more for diy folk.
I reckon they would be useful when working with large format on stud walls, you know what it's like when you try and push tile back and the wall flexes push one corner and the other ones pops up.
Never used them myself but I thought I may give them a go at some stage.
My tile supplier has asked me a few times if I have any interest in using them and I have always said they are for clueless muppets that can't do the job.
Think they could be an addition to the tool box especially with some of the crap building practice and porcelain about.
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White Room
It's funny that a couple of years ago I wouldn't have used a grinder to cut socket holes in tiles now I find it easier.
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Simon benn Leeds
Definitely coming round to the idea myself now.
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Old Mod
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I'd already be worried if you're fixing large format to walls that flex!
Their primary function is not to force down corners that 'pop up!'
Careful, glass houses and all! 😀
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But that's the problem!
This is nothing personal @AD Ceramics, 😉
But u've just about nailed most of the reasons and myths as to why using levelling straps is frowned upon! Haha
They're an aid to help keep pieces in place whilst the adhesive cures.
They're certainly not supposed to be used to force tiles down so much so that it puts undue stress on, not only the adhesive, but the tile too!
If you're using them to prevent a corner 'popping up' that gives cynics the argument they need to suggest they create voids below the tiling!
I make no secret that I use them when I feel it's necessary, and I think they can be a valuable aid.
Not everybody gets on with them, or even certain systems, and I'll reiterate,
The last person that should use them is a DIY'er, if they are to be used in the way that they are intended!
They take a fair bit of practise to use too!
I'm not here to promote their use, not at all, after more than 30yrs in the job I'm kind of aware we all have our ways of achieving the finish we want!
I just don't like being called a DIY'er! Haha
Isn't that right @Simon benn Leeds 😀
3_fall
surely in you 30 years you must have come across a partition put up by some muppet of a joiner that flexes or bounces? The point I was trying to make is that some of the practices that builders etc do are substandard substrates to work on and if they tell you they take all responsibility for the work sometimes you just have to get on with it and this product will assist like the guy earlier in the thread installing plank tiles randomly.
I don't think I mentioned about putting undue stress on the tile maybe I didn't choose my words correctly but what you replied is exactly what I was trying to get accross. And I don't live In a glass house
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Old Mod
Hahaha no offence was meant geezer!
Just meant to grab the attention that's all!
If u were offended there's a sincere apology awaiting, no problem!
Not your fault tbf, this is just a recurring thread with recurring aguements! Haha and yes of course I've encountered dodgy substrates in the past and still do! Only now I make them correct it, or I'll even do it myself if I have to!
Praps that was slightly unfair, as I said nothing personal, don't even know you, so I wouldn't be so presumptuous!
It just lent itself to proving a point!🙄
Don't be offended geezer!
I'm not like that! 😀
Oh and that guy who installed the planks randomly.....yeah that was me too! Hahahaha
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No?
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Old Mod
I hope you don't think you offended me. You haven't
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