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First time I've seen these, local supplier has just got them in....anyone tried these.

Leveling Systems and Tile Trims

The Acorn range of Leveling systems and tile trims.

Prolevelling System is a revolutionary and innovative levelling system when laying medium and large materials with a thickness between 3 and 40mm

The patented system is made of two elements:

A levelling base (2-3 mm size) with spaced notches that allow spacing/seperating/joining floors of any type of material in a way that is : linear, cross and half cross with joints to be chosen between 2mm and 3mm.

The threaded stem is attached perpendiclarly to the base in a way that allows for easy adjustment with turns of the cap during installation. Removal of the Cap and Stem after the materials are set is made easy with strategically placed breakage points that release with either increased pressure by turning the cap or by kicking the cap in the direction of the joint. One capo fits all threaded stems and can be reused an infinite amount of times for big cost savings.

The new PPLS (patented) system assists in the reduction or elimination of ledging and lippage in the installation of various types of materials that are applied to floors or walls with mortar including Large Format Tile, Natural Stone, Thin profiles and many others.

Laying System.

1. Choose the desired type of leveller (spacers) based on the requested joints.

2mm or 3mm Linear, Cross or Half Cross Version

2. Apply the thinset or mortar on a level base with the appropriate notched trowel.

3. During the application of the tile position the bae of the chosen leveller under the edge of the tile at the appropriate joint location and continue laying in sequence.

4. Attach the cap to the threaded stem by rotating it clockwise. Level the joint by rotating the sap using the minimum amount of pressure needed.

5. Once the setting materials have become solid and the floor or wall is ready for grout:
Kick the cap, in the direction of the joint to detach connection points between base and stem.


 
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Simon benn Leeds said:
Don't know how I feel about these!...

My supplier has had something similar in for a while but never took much notice, I think have they designed something that doesn't need designing?. Or are they designed for diy?.
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U've never used a levelling system then Simon?
They're certainly not for the diy'er!
 
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Simon benn Leeds said:
nope!....
Been tiling 20 years next month and never heard of them!..,
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I've not heard of that particular system but the likes of Raimondai and Rubi all make their own versions, used in the right circumstances they can be very useful.
There's several threads on the forum about them.
 
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whitebeam said:
First time I've seen these, local supplier has just got them in....anyone tried these.

Leveling Systems and Tile Trims
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That system looks flawed compared to others.

Firstly the base plate of the clips are flat so only really suited to calibrated tiles, where as something like the lash clips have a rocking base plate so can be used with un-calibrated stone for example. Within reason of course.

Then the re-use of screw caps is going to eat in to many a lunch break unscrewing the threads. It's bad enough with the rubi and genesis systems pulling through the ratchet type. I still think the wedge type systems are the quickest and least fuss both in use and collecting up the reusable wedges. I'm not sure it needs to be more complicated than that.

Ray TT @ Porcel-Thin said:
just watched this vid and seen how a plummer takes 5x longer than a tiler cost 6x more these should be on sale in a pluming shop thats were they belong
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That's a bit harsh Ray! He sure fits a lot of tiles for a plumber:D Home Is it the fact he just laid the tiles lightly on the the addy rather than bedding down you didn't like? Or just the fact he was using a leveling system at all?

Like most on here I thought they were a gimmick when they first came out but they certainly have their uses.
 
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Colour Republic said:
That system looks flawed compared to others.

Firstly the base plate of the clips are flat so only really suited to calibrated tiles, where as something like the lash clips have a rocking base plate so can be used with un-calibrated stone for example. Within reason of course.

Then the re-use of screw caps is going to eat in to many a lunch break unscrewing the threads. It's bad enough with the rubi and genesis systems pulling through the ratchet type. I still think the wedge type systems are the quickest and least fuss both in use and collecting up the reusable wedges. I'm not sure it needs to be more complicated than that.



That's a bit harsh Ray! He sure fits a lot of tiles for a plumber:D Home Is it the fact he just laid the tiles lightly on the the addy rather than bedding down you didn't like? Or just the fact he was using a leveling system at all?

Like most on here I thought they were a gimmick when they first came out but they certainly have their uses.
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yes you are right for some they have a use but come on 600x300 give me a break thats a real way of showing they are diy and whats a lot of tiles 3m2 a day .so take a close look at the vid flat walls looking like a darlike is hiding behind to say exstarmanate .and a 2 m2 floor on flat ply but is using these give me a break .any one here that thinks they can lay this floor faster than me and flatter than me using these is more than welcome to try .diy diy diy all day long .
 
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To be honest i didn't watch it in that much detail Ray.

Looking again I notice 2 things.

1) He has 16.5K subscribers to his channel so i'm guessing the leveling system gave him a load F.O.C. to promote and he's just used them on every job he could to get footage
2) You could say he's a cracking tiler because he's prepared every substrate the best he could before he started and therefore didn't need them in the slightest!

If was going to criticise him for anything it would be his love of using MDF skirting as straight edge which is rarely straight.

Let's be honest these systems don't add much extra time on your average domestic job. What an extra hour or 2 on your average bathroom if that? I waste more time looking for my pencil! I appreciate it does on commercial jobs where you might have 100's of SQM to get stuck in to or multiple bathrooms, then it is going to slow you down.
 
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Simon benn Leeds


These are similar to what the sell at my supplier, needless to say I've never bought them.
Not once have I seen them tamp the floor down or check for level, and how are you meant to wash the joints out??
Absolute wast of time effort and money, definitely not a tiler if you you have to use stuff like,
Tiling is a skill you hone over years not a process!..

I agree with @Ray TT @ Porcel-Thin i could tile faster than them 3 and labour on myself

DIY, DIY, DIY
 
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Simon benn Leeds said:
Not once have I seen them tamp the floor down or check for level, and how are you meant to wash the joints out??
Absolute wast of time effort and money, definitely not a tiler if you you have to use stuff like,
Tiling is a skill you hone over years not a process!..
DIY, DIY, DIY
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Wow! Strong words Simon, a little bit of a knee jerk reaction maybe to a promotional video!
Emphasis on 'promotional' we all know they're designed to sell and not instruct! :)

It's also put me in my place, at least I know what category I fit into now,
I'm a DIY'er haha @Dan looks like I'm here under false pretences. :D

How can u possibly make such a sweeping statement having not even tried using them?

And actually Ray does say they have their uses just not on 600x300's.

Didn't get outta bed the wrong side today Simon did you?haha :rolleyes:

Are u saying that u've never laid a floor or tiled a wall and where u've had to build out or pack a tile with more adhesive than usual, and then come back next day and found that in actual fact u feel sure that overnight lots of little people have been 'doing a jig' over your floor, cos when u left you know, there were no lips?
If you say no I won't believe you! Haha
They can be used for manor of things, it just takes a little imagination as how they can be utilised other than laying a 600x300 floor!

So I thought I might show u how they can be used for all manor of things!

How about when u put up backer boards ready for mosaic? Ever consider the joints between the boards? How they can easily step!

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How about tiling a Dorma?
Tell me how many times Dorma window detail is the same both sides?
Tell me it doesn't look lopsided if they're not identical!
So how about adjusting the angle on the face side from the ceiling down, to make it symmetrical.

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Or how about when u have to ramp a floor from an longstanding existing floor which is 50mm high of the proposed floor level across the other side of the room?

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Simon benn Leeds

Very impressive work indeed.

And no i didn't get out of the wrong side of bed this morning!!!!..., got out of the wrong side all this week ha ha (well at lest since someone wrote my van off last week) but that's another tale.

Yes off the cuff remarks on my behalf and apologies if it was insulting or offended anyone.

I'm just struggling to come to terms with the products purpose (I'll do some research) but tiling being one of the oldest trades we have managed perfectly well without these kind of (dare I say gimmicks)!.

Has anyone had any experience of breaking a tile out when the method has been used?
Just curious to see what the bed is like underneath?
When I lay floors (particularly large format and large areas) I like to lift the tile for reassurance that I have achieved a 100% coverage of adhesive with no hollows, plus I like to wash all the joints free from adhesive.

jobs hard enough without adding another element ha.

How would it work if the tiles are different thicknes? I.e installing a floor border? Some stone? If the tiles are cambered? (As is a lot of these new planked tiles).

Just curious?

Cheers
 
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Simon benn Leeds said:
Very impressive work indeed.

And no i didn't get out of the wrong side of bed this morning!!!!..., got out of the wrong side all this week ha ha (well at lest since someone wrote my van off last week) but that's another tale.

Yes off the cuff remarks on my behalf and apologies if it was insulting or offended anyone.

I'm just struggling to come to terms with the products purpose (I'll do some research) but tiling being one of the oldest trades we have managed perfectly well without these kind of (dare I say gimmicks)!.

Has anyone had any experience of breaking a tile out when the method has been used?
Just curious to see what the bed is like underneath?
When I lay floors (particularly large format and large areas) I like to lift the tile for reassurance that I have achieved a 100% coverage of adhesive with no hollows, plus I like to wash all the joints free from adhesive.

jobs hard enough without adding another element ha.

How would it work if the tiles are different thicknes? I.e installing a floor border? Some stone? If the tiles are cambered? (As is a lot of these new planked tiles).

Just curious?

Cheers
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As is yours @Simon benn Leeds
U just asked how they performed with a plank, so I just put up couple images. It's not to say they are used everywhere, but certainly in certain places they certainly help.
On the question of removal of a tile used with this system,
ask @AliGage,

How difficult was it to remove that kitchen tile in Shelperton Ali? The one that Peter snagged? (Hand on heart, it was less than 1mm high on one corner!!)

I'm not asking u to love them Simon,
I just think it's hard to form an opinion on something that you have no Experiance with mate that's all.

I don't think that's unreasonable. ;)
 
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Trust me they come in handy with tiles like @Ray TT @ Porcel-Thin tiles, 1200x600 , 4mm ish thick, on floors not bang on, they help heaps ,also with heavy tiles ,it stops them slumping with not so bang on floors.
And pls none of this BS saying your floors are always bang on flat and plumb, I ain't seen many in nearly 30years ;)
 
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3_fall said:
As is yours @Simon benn Leeds
U just asked how they performed with a plank, so I just put up couple images. It's not to say they are used everywhere, but certainly in certain places they certainly help.
On the question of removal of a tile used with this system,
ask @AliGage,

How difficult was it to remove that kitchen tile in Shelperton Ali? The one that Peter snagged? (Hand on heart, it was less than 1mm high on one corner!!)

I'm not asking u to love them Simon,
I just think it's hard to form an opinion on something that you have no Experiance with mate that's all.

I don't think that's unreasonable. ;)
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I agree entirely it's hard to form an opinion without using them myself, and again I apologise if my comments seem criticism but I mean them more as questions.

I can see and understand now, the concept of them however on the original post with promo video I could not really the use for them. That's not to say I'll never give them a go, I mean if I were to be sent some foc I might be more inclined to try them!... Ha ha.

In terms of installation would it be safe to say it takes a fair bit longer to use the clips?
 
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