tiler made a mistake tiling a wetroom tray

[SpItal_Jeff]

I got a professional top tile my wetroom because I was scared of making a mistake.

After he left it occurred to me that he never fit the frame for the drain cover.

The shower tray has a linear drain with a stainless frame that should have been screwed in place and tiled up to. Now some tiles are too far back and some are obstructing the installation of the frame.

I need to remove the tiles surrounding the drain, install the frame and retile up to it.

My fear is that the floor has been tanked and the drain portion of the tray is plastic.

Is it possible to remove these tiles without damaging the tray or am I looking at taking up the entire floor and starting again?

Attatched is a photo.

 

[Flintstone]

What sort of tanking system was used and what tray? Get the bloke back to fix his **** up! That's why he didn't put the drain on, cos it doesn't fit due to his errors.

 

[Flintstone]

First time I've seen a Victorian floor in a wet room by the way, any photos of the bigger picture ?

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

Slightly bigger photo.

My question isn't if I should get him back. ...of course I should. However as he has been paid for the floor before I noticed the mistake, time will tell if he returns.

My question is CAN IT BE FIXED? Can the tiles stuttering the drain be lifted without damaging the tray or the plastic drain? Obviously if the integrity of the tray is compromised the only solution I can see is to lift the floor replace the tray and start again. I'd obviously like to avoid this

 

[One Day]

Oh dear oh dear. Not a professional that's for sure.
You won't know if the waterproofing even exists unless you take a tile up.
It's not done anywhere near properly so get him back!

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

First time I've seen a Victorian floor in a wet room by the way, any photos of the bigger picture ?

It's a small 1.1mx2.4m room with an odd shape shower area. So to avoid cuTring a tray I tanked the room and used a wet room shower tray. It's a 200 year old house hence the victorian tiles.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

So we can all have a good look!

 

[Blunt Tool]

Im sorry but that does not look like a professional job, I would either get him back to sort or ask for a refund. Tiling is just overall not good!

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

What is needed it to lift all of the tiles surrounding the drain.

How would you do that?

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

Im sorry but that does not look like a professional job, I would either get him back to sort or ask for a refund. Tiling is just overall not good!

I have asked him. But I am relying on him coming back. Can it be fixed? How?

 

[One Day]

What is needed it to lift all of the tiles surrounding the drain.

How would you do that?

Take out the insert and carefully chisel then up.
To be frank, the job is so terrible I imagine they'll come up easily and that there is no effective waterproofing underneath anyway.

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

Oh dear oh dear. Not a professional that's for sure.
You won't know if the waterproofing even exists unless you take a tile up.
It's not done anywhere near properly so get him back!

I did the waterproofing so I know it exists. That isn't the question.

THE TILES SURROUNDING THE DRAIN NEED TO BE REMOVED. CAN THIS BE DONE WITHOUT DAMAGING THE TRAY? HOW?

 

[One Day]

I did the waterproofing so I know it exists. That isn't the question.

THE TILES SURROUNDING THE DRAIN NEED TO BE REMOVED. CAN THIS BE DONE WITHOUT DAMAGING THE TRAY? HOW?

Ok. Understand now. What tray is it and what did you waterproof with?

 

[Blunt Tool]

Some tiles are squint and lipped, the finish around drain is terrrible. He should have had the drain in situ to make sure it fitted and all cuts straight and even.

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

Take out the insert and carefully chisel then up.
To be frank, the job is so terrible I imagine they'll come up easily and that there is no effective waterproofing underneath anyway.

I did the waterproofing so I know it's there.

The stainless insert is just sitting on top. The plastic drain is an integral part of the shower tray and can't be removed or damaged.

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

Some tiles are squint and lipped, the finish around drain is terrrible. He should have had the drain in situ to make sure it fitted and all cuts straight and even.

Yes. He should have. But he didn't.

SO CAN IT BE FIXED WITHOUT DAMAGING THE SHOWER TRAY? How?

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Capitals now - someone is getting annoyed!
Remember we don't charge for advice and we have to know a bit of the background - allow us to enjoy the moment.

 

[One Day]

I can only offer my advice if you tell us what tray it is, and what you used to waterproof it?

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

Capitals now - someone is getting annoyed!
Remember we don't charge for advice and we have to know a bit of the background - allow us to enjoy the moment.

I know, but I just want to know if it can be fixed and about 15 posts in ams everyone telling me how bad it is no one is sayin yes it can or no it can't. Forums quite often seem to go off on a tangent away from the original problem specifics.

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

I can only offer my advice if you tell us what tray it is, and what you used to waterproof it?

Thanks. I don't know the make. It was a German made tasty from Wirral Bathrooms and Wetrooms, Merseyside Bathrooms & Wetrooms, Wirral Wet Rooms Design, Cheshire Wetrooms & Bathrooms, Liverpool - http://www.bathroomsandwetrooms.co.uk/. It is 1200x900 with a linear drain. The floorboards where covered with wet boards, I taped all seams, and painted a rubberized compound over the whole thing.

I tanked it but didn't risk tiling it in case I made a mistake. ...now I'm afraid I suspect it's all got to come up.

This is the waterproofing compound.

 

[One Day]

You've used a quality tanking solution, there's a good chance though that taking up the tiles could tear it from the tray. If you work methodically and clean the adhesive residues away carefully, you could reapply any that gets damaged. Not ideal but short of a full rip up, that's what I'd do.
Without the tray brand I can't comment on its suitability though.
Most wet trays are inherently waterproof, but cheaper ones tend to need extra attention to the tray/waste junction.

 

[Flintstone]

It looks like a bad job from start to finish to me, get it up. I don't think you'll get very far on here with your attitude either, no need.

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

You've used a quality tanking solution, there's a good chance though that taking up the tiles could tear it from the tray. If you work methodically and clean the adhesive residues away carefully, you could reapply any that gets damaged. Not ideal but short of a full rip up, that's what I'd do.
Without the tray brand I can't comment on its suitability though.
Most wet trays are inherently waterproof, but cheaper ones tend to need extra attention to the tray/waste junction.

Thanks. It was an expensive tray. I'm always aware or using the cheapest materials and didn't want to for this job. I think the tray was about £200.

I'm obviously going to ask him back. If he's honorable he'll come and fix it. If not be will know it's likely a tear up job and will disappear. I'll know if he replies to me after the long weekend.

If not all I can do is name him.

I suspect it's going to need to be taken up. I'm just annoyed because I thought I was getting a professional to avoid mistakes line this in such a delicate job. It's an old house and I can't risk leaks because wet rot can easily take hold

 

[One Day]

It looks like a bad job from start to finish to me, get it up. I don't think you'll get very far on here with your attitude either, no need.

Come on chaps, give the guy a break! He's got a rubbish problem to try and sort out now...
I'd be stressed out too!

 

[One Day]

Thanks. It was an expensive tray. I'm always aware or using the cheapest materials and didn't want to for this job. I think the tray was about £200.

I'm obviously going to ask him back. If he's honorable he'll come and fix it. If not be will know it's likely a tear up job and will disappear. I'll know if he replies to me after the long weekend.

If not all I can do is name him.

I suspect it's going to need to be taken up. I'm just annoyed because I thought I was getting a professional to avoid mistakes line this in such a delicate job. It's an old house and I can't risk leaks because wet rot can easily take hold

If it comes down to it, I can give you the number of a guy near you who would do it well. Victorian floors and wet rooms, he works with me and I with him occasionally....

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

It looks like a bad job from start to finish to me, get it up. I don't think you'll get very far on here with your attitude either, no need.

So your suggesting get it up and start over? That would cost about £1000 worth tiles, wet boards, shower tray, tape, etc.

Apart from around the drain I don't think it's any worse than I've seen anyone else do.

 

[SpItal_Jeff]

If it comes down to it, I can give you the number of a guy near you who would do it well. Victorian floors and wet rooms, he works with me and I with him occasionally....

What's his number? I still need someone to do the walls regardless of the decision here. Not sure I want to use this guy anyway because we are using original style tiles.

 

[Flintstone]

So your suggesting get it up and start over? That would cost about £1000 worth tiles, wet boards, shower tray, tape, etc.

Apart from around the drain I don't think it's any worse than I've seen anyone else do.

I'll be honest with you, from what I can see, the tiling is poor. I don't know about the prep but wet rooms have to be spot on as you know. It depends if you want a 'hopefully it will be ok' job, or a start again get it right and have no worries job.

 

[One Day]

What's his number? I still need someone to do the walls regardless of the decision here. Not sure I want to use this guy anyway because we are using original style tiles.

Like me, and most on here, he'd only do it from scratch I'm afraid. It's horrible picking up after a job starts badly. If you go down the full route, pm me and I'll pass his details on.

 

[Simons70]

Can be fixed,IMO is not difficult to remove the small cuts around,just try wit a screwdriver.In the pictures not seems to be full bed.

 

[gamma38]

What was the construction of the tray? is it suitable for smaller mosaic tiles? they look like the ones from topps which are about 40mm or so. A fair few wet room trays aren't suitable for smaller mosaic tiles due to point loading so it may all be a non starter anyway. But the answer to your original question is yes you can remove tiles, slow going, very slow going with a grinder you can cut down to remove material but i wouldn't advise this be done by anyone but a competent tiler.