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Stef
& here's a limestone floor fixed to a screed without a decoupler, all be it a badly laid screed.
I have repaired this floor 3 times, they were told at install to decouple but I'm only a daft tiler, what do I know.
I have repaired this floor 3 times, they were told at install to decouple but I'm only a daft tiler, what do I know.
S
Spare Tool
...and here's another
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Stef
Stone is too soft to fit without decoupling it from the substrate.
I
Italy
thanks marc.
tile master. there is no in Italy.
similar products. There are ?
mapei seen. but it seems not. specific like tilemaster
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Camper
The Anhydrate-Screed needs to be prepped properly!
1) Calcium-Carbide Moister measurement test. The moisture can't exceed 0.5% (with UFH 0.3%)
2) Laitence layer removed
3) Prime
4) Tiling can begin
5)Decoupling is not needed, to avoid cracking(longevity) movement joints need to be installed correctly!
1) Calcium-Carbide Moister measurement test. The moisture can't exceed 0.5% (with UFH 0.3%)
2) Laitence layer removed
3) Prime
4) Tiling can begin
5)Decoupling is not needed, to avoid cracking(longevity) movement joints need to be installed correctly!
B
Bill
nonsense...s'pose the Egyptians were wrong too?
B
Bill
So this, in your own opinion, was a badly laid screed....so maybe that was the problem and not the actual fixing?
S
Stef
& how did they fix???
They fixed on top of a layer of sand that acted as a decoupler.
I
Italy
exact
S
Stef
Tom go on the Schluter course you may be surprised as what you could learn there.
The guy that designed Ditra realised how tiling of old had lasted as long & that was to decouple it from the ground with a layer of sand.
The guy that designed Ditra realised how tiling of old had lasted as long & that was to decouple it from the ground with a layer of sand.
C
Camper
If the screed was installed properly it already is decoupled (With styrofoam sheets instead of sand). With or without Ditra you still need to install movement joints. This is the reason for the cracks in the pictures above ( NO movement joints).
B
Bill
Not all did that. I have fixed onto suspended timber with sand and cement and had no problems....it is how you fix them that matters. I wish we had mobile phones 30 years ago that took photos!
B
Bill
Sorry I have no before or during photos but here is one I did not long ago...soft as turkish ceramics..... no decoupler fixed in sand and cement onto a concrete base......
S
Stef
"If the screed is installed properly"If the screed was installed properly it already is decoupled (With styrofoam sheets instead of sand). With or without Ditra you still need to install movement joints. This is the reason for the cracks in the pictures above ( NO movement joints).
If every screed was fitted this way then there would be no problem, that's where the decoupler comes into its own.
My pictures above are nothing to do with a movement join not being fitted.
No run is more than 3m long & is broken across the door ways, it was a badly fitted screed.
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Stef
I'm not on here for an argument but I would like to see that floor in a years time.
As stated "If" the screed is installed correctly there shouldn't be an issue.
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Spud
That looks really nice Tom
C
Camper
It's true screed is rarely fitted by code. I suspect the reason for this is ignorance and/or price/time pressure.
However laying a decoupler just because it's stone and we have an anhydrite screed is also not code. This is my disagreement. It's not a prerequisite for a properly installed floor. Furthermore the decoupler is not a replacement for movement joints. Without movement joints your stone will crack even with a decoupler.
It is paramount that the OP inspect the screed, and have all issues rectified before laying the stone. And that all movement joints are kept intact and functional after the stone is set. This will ensure a long lasting floor.
F
Flintstone
Would you still insist on decoupling on an old screed that's been down many many years and still fine, maybe an origional concrete floor?
F
Flintstone
Stef, that floor is knackerd anyway no Matter what your fixing to it.
B
Bill
Thanks, that means a lot coming from you.
As for seeing it a year on ..........this job is from June 2014..customer hasn't called to say any problems.......so I take it is still perfect.
right lads, appreciate all the advice. so i went to the client and suggested decoupling, got a flat out no in reply, i said in that case i make no guarantees, the client says couldn't give a toss just get it done.. who am i to argue? fascinating thread btw does it always get so heated round here? 😀 some lovely pics there too..
start next week I'll let you know how it goes..
start next week I'll let you know how it goes..
just work super clean, seal once laid, grout, seal again. thats the plan. anything i should know?
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Flintstone
I think a lot of us on here have strong views and care a lot !
i've been told by the builder that laitence has been removed. the screed was laid three months ago so hopefully its gone off..
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Old Mod
Haha heated! This thread?
That's not heated, it's just a healthy debate! 😛
I bet you never thought u'd have such an impact on your first day tho did u? Haha 😀
Well at least you know where u stand with the client, so that's a good thing!
Yeah be very interesting to see how you go Harry.
Remember, if u get stuck, start a new thread!!!! Hahahaha
Good luck.
That's not heated, it's just a healthy debate! 😛
I bet you never thought u'd have such an impact on your first day tho did u? Haha 😀
Well at least you know where u stand with the client, so that's a good thing!
Yeah be very interesting to see how you go Harry.
Remember, if u get stuck, start a new thread!!!! Hahahaha
Good luck.
hahaha yeah true enough!
hahaha yeah wasn't expecting that to be honest.. ill post some pics when its done. cheers for the luck i may yet need it!!
O
Old Mod
Well, we'll be here if u get stuck! 😀
Progress pics, we love them too! 🙂
U can create an album on your media page then they'll always be easily accessible.
Then if anyone wants to see what you're all about, they'll be able to see your work.
And if u want to look at other members, just click their avatar above their name and ill see either 'media page' or 'albums page'
T
Time's Ran Out
I'd be tempted to seal limestone as you get them out of the crate. Any moisture from sponges, adhesive, hands etc will dry at different times and leave damp patchy areas when you come to seal it.
There is a line of thought that would suggest you will be trapping the moisture from the adhesive in, but by using a fast set flexible and flat skimming the back of the tiles, it's not something that I've encountered.
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Unused Account 1
If your notused of a grinder ,i suggest a wet cutter ,i still like to use mine on stone ,good luck ,get a good blade make the job easier for u
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Stef
June 2014?? You stated that it wasn't long ago, I wouldn't like to hang around waiting on you for a meeting Tom!!
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