bread and butter kitchen

1.5 days labour (2 days if you include admin/looking at job, quoting, picking up mats, invoicing) £360/380 inc mats
 
need to put my prices up .....I would be £160-£180

if I started at 8am it would be tiled by 12, have lunch, grout, finished by 2.30 -3.0pm
 
you have to pay to park on every job..?

must be a different world living in the smoke, I just park on the customer driveway..lol
[MENTION=19139]andy allen[/MENTION] Park on the drive? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
well if they're lucky enough to have a drive, it'll be used to either park skip or as rubbish tip awaiting nxt pick up. Parking can run from £18 - £43 a day no problem. A lot do get permits for contractors it works out cheaper. Some boroughs don't have them tho. It's park and pay simple as, even if it's your own family haha. A garage has just been sold in London for £400,000 YES 400 Grand. Enough money to park in a nearby secure underground car park for 31yrs! So yeah I charge parking haha

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just as an example, I recently did a 9 day straight job in High Holburn WC1. Parking and congestion charge came to £396! And that's HALF day parking Sat and NO parking Sun and NO congestion charge Sat & Sun. So those charges are for 7.5 days! So yeah things can be different here. Haha
 
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[MENTION=19139]andy allen[/MENTION] Park on the drive? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
well if they're lucky enough to have a drive, it'll be used to either park skip or as rubbish tip awaiting nxt pick up. Parking can run from £18 - £43 a day no problem. A lot do get permits for contractors it works out cheaper. Some boroughs don't have them tho. It's park and pay simple as, even if it's your own family haha. A garage has just been sold in London for £400,000 YES 400 Grand. Enough money to park in a nearby secure underground car park for 31yrs! So yeah I charge parking haha

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just as an example, I recently did a 9 day straight job in High Holburn WC1. Parking and congestion charge came to £396! And that's HALF day parking Sat and NO parking Sun and NO congestion charge Sat & Sun. So those charges are for 7.5 days! So yeah things can be different here. Haha

Lol and I get annoyed when the customer hasn't got there car off the drive when I turn up in the morning..
 
some difference in meterage rates ranging from £32.00 to £100.00 psm

Think i will have to return home to the east end, the last job i remember doing in london was at the old bryant and mays match factory,now the bow quarter, £108 for a bathroom, no bath fitted, 2 or 3 walls tiled off batterns, did 2 a day back in the late 80's
 
1 day if all went smooth and id be looking at 200 plus gear, on new housing if you didnt get that done in a day youd be on bread and dripping for tea,
 
I'm amazed that it would take anyone more than a day. I'd charge £150 and be loading the van up to go home at 2pm after an 8.30 start. I'm not greedy with kitchen splashbacks as they usually get your foot in the door for bigger and better work. Kitchen splashbacks are often testers for the tiler before they start a bathroom in my experience.
 
The one day guys. Are you basing that on the kitchen in question (i.e. new kitchen, newly plastered) or any kitchen of similar size and layout?

Think i'd still struggle to get that done in 5 hours flat but then I expect the full time tilers to be quicker than me, or there is something seriously wrong!
 
I'd plan to be in and out of any standardish kitchen in a day regardless of walls or size. But then again when you look at NI rates, it wouldn't be worth my while doing it if it'd run into a second day.

The one above is a gift. One sided sill, no pelmets or cooker hood.
 
I have a question for all the people that would take more than a day on the kitchen in question. Why? The walls are good not newly plastered but in good condition. It's only 4.50m2 and as it goes a verry easy little job.
 
I have a question for all the people that would take more than a day on the kitchen in question. Why? The walls are good not newly plastered but in good condition. It's only 4.50m2 and as it goes a verry easy little job.
Because I never grout the same day unless using rapid
 
I have a question for all the people that would take more than a day on the kitchen in question. Why? The walls are good not newly plastered but in good condition. It's only 4.50m2 and as it goes a verry easy little job.

Because I have OCD and slow as hell!!! 😉
Honestly, it's because I always Silicon the following day.
 
I have a question for all the people that would take more than a day on the kitchen in question. Why? The walls are good not newly plastered but in good condition. It's only 4.50m2 and as it goes a verry easy little job.
Perhaps it's not necessarily about speed [MENTION=7444]deanotile[/MENTION] maybe more of a question demographics or geographic's and what kind of work we're used to, don't u think?
I definitely agree with rossy, new build developments require that kinda completion time. Some situations, your timetable would be correct. In others, from MY personal experience I'd disagree. Based on the average kind of work I do. I'm not saying my kind of work is any better or more important than anyone else's, on the contrary. It's just the conditions I'm used to working in. If it was part of a major refit, I will guarantee it will require some kind of makin good first, WITHOUT fail. If a designer is involved, which is 95% of the time, they'll either require some impossible setting out perimeters or the use of some weird and wonderful product. And When I have to change what they've asked for, that then will need approval, and that may only take a phone or a FaceTime call. It's still time. I've waited on many occasions for designers and the such like who insist on a site visit first. And yes they all say "I'll be there within 30 mins!" Of course they are!
If it's in a occupied residence, then typically they'll expect the whole kitchen sheeted up and the work carried out as if I'm not even there. Haha I will have to work out of the back of my vehicle, all cutting will have to be done outside as will the mixing of any adhesives or grouts. In most situations that I find myself nowadays it's just not a case of walk in and smash it out! I truly don't remember the last time it was.
Coupled with I'd never use rapid on walls, unless there were special circumstances, I also wouldn't grout the same day. Most of the time they probably wouldn't even know what colour grout they wanted until they saw the tile in situ. Hence when pricing I'd allow 2 days. If it all went swimmingly and it took less time I'd be a very happy chappy and get a half day for a change or maybe even two early finishes. haha
But that's only my experience of the least 7-8 yrs.
i just don't seem to do that kind of work anymore Deano.
 
I'm not knocking anyone or saying you sould go any faster than you are happy to go I'm just interested. On the same note I was not rushing around like a mad man but for it to take me 2 days I would have to sit on my hands for 8 hours lol.
 
I spent over 15 years doing site work and you would have to have done a kitchen that size and a bathroom in a day just to make a good wage..

I look at a kitchen now as an easy days work as that's all I have to do that day......
 
Perhaps it's not necessarily about speed @deanotile maybe more of a question demographics or geographic's and what kind of work we're used to, don't u think?
I definitely agree with rossy, new build developments require that kinda completion time. Some situations, your timetable would be correct. In others, from MY personal experience I'd disagree. Based on the average kind of work I do. I'm not saying my kind of work is any better or more important than anyone else's, on the contrary. It's just the conditions I'm used to working in. If it was part of a major refit, I will guarantee it will require some kind of makin good first, WITHOUT fail. If a designer is involved, which is 95% of the time, they'll either require some impossible setting out perimeters or the use of some weird and wonderful product. And When I have to change what they've asked for, that then will need approval, and that may only take a phone or a FaceTime call. It's still time. I've waited on many occasions for designers and the such like who insist on a site visit first. And yes they all say "I'll be there within 30 mins!" Of course they are!
If it's in a occupied residence, then typically they'll expect the whole kitchen sheeted up and the work carried out as if I'm not even there. Haha I will have to work out of the back of my vehicle, all cutting will have to be done outside as will the mixing of any adhesives or grouts. In most situations that I find myself nowadays it's just not a case of walk in and smash it out! I truly don't remember the last time it was.
Coupled with I'd never use rapid on walls, unless there were special circumstances, I also wouldn't grout the same day. Most of the time they probably wouldn't even know what colour grout they wanted until they saw the tile in situ. Hence when pricing I'd allow 2 days. If it all went swimmingly and it took less time I'd be a very happy chappy and get a half day for a change or maybe even two early finishes. haha
But that's only my experience of the least 7-8 yrs.
i just don't seem to do that kind of work anymore Deano.
i don't agree that it is demographics or geographic. I think almost every tiler in the country has had a stint on tiling basic kitchens and I like to think I can hold my ground in any tiling situation from the very basic tiling to the high end bespoke work. You have included a lot of variables in your post but to be honest the question was quite simple how long and how much for the kitchen in my op as it is in the pic no architects no fussy customers no fancy tiling layouts jut a bread and butter bog standard kitchen splash back. Now if you do not do bog standard kitchens then more power to you but I'd find it hard to believe that a tiler that works constantly on high end jobs did not start at some point on basic bog standard jobs.
 
i don't agree that it is demographics or geographic. I think almost every tiler in the country has had a stint on tiling basic kitchens and I like to think I can hold my ground in any tiling situation from the very basic tiling to the high end bespoke work. You have included a lot of variables in your post but to be honest the question was quite simple how long and how much for the kitchen in my op as it is in the pic no architects no fussy customers no fancy tiling layouts jut a bread and butter bog standard kitchen splash back. Now if you do not do bog standard kitchens then more power to you but I'd find it hard to believe that a tiler that works constantly on high end jobs did not start at some point on basic bog standard jobs.
Omg of course I did! I cut my teeth on Barrat Housing Estates back in early 80's. And on that I agreed with rossy, u were expected to turn out 8-10m2 a day or go home. Which is what u did. To be honest I didn't even cast my mind back to that type of work. So I'll agree I may not have answered your question as you intended. Haha But I suppose that comes from our ability to have Artistic Licence in what we do for a living isn't it? Haha we answer the question we read, which is not necessarily the question that is written! Haha Pretty much in the way we tile a space in the way we like to see it done, which as we know, isn't necessarily the way the client intended! Hehe so does that make me self important, egotistical or just arrogant? I'd just go for Artistic! :thumbsup:
Apologies for not answering what u asked exactly.
 
Here's another one, just playing devil's advocate. How long it would take to do a 6ftx6ft bathroom walls and floor with bath fitted. Good walls and floor, no prep, basic 450x300 ceramic, plastic trim etc probably about 17m2.
 

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