Tile Adhesive & Grout Classifications S1 S2 C2 Etc Explained

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united

• Aug 8, 2010

• #1

TILE ADHESIVE AND GROUT CLASSIFICATIONS


I always get mixed up or forget what the number/Letter combinations for the classification of adhesive and Grout mean and everytime I try to look for a guide on here I can never find one so I thought I would start one off myself.

Please feel free to add to it or correct me

Type C - Cementitious (Cement based Adhesives)
Type D - Dispersion (Ready mixed / Tubbed)
Type R - Resin (Epoxy)

TILE ADHESIVE CLASSIFICATIONS
Extra characteristics are described by the numbers and letters below

1 - Normal Adhesive
2 - Improved Adhesive
F - Fast Setting
T - Thixotropy (Reduced slip/ Slip Resistance)
E - Extended open time
G - Grout

S - Elasticity / Flexibility / Deformability
S1 = Deformable (Flexible)
S2 = Highly Deformable

TILE GROUT CLASSIFICATIONS

 

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Thespanishtiler

• Aug 8, 2010

• #2

Re: Adhesive & Grout Classifications

you just need to e mail this to the majority of tile shop staff and we might start to get some acurate advice given out to customers for a change.

 

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jtw11373

• Apr 1, 2011

• #3

Re: Adhesive & Grout Classifications

United, so looking at these classifications, which adhesive and grout combo would I need in a steam room? thanks ahead of time. jtw11373


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Mark@Tilemaster

TF

• Apr 18, 2014

• #4

• TILE ADHESIVE ANS GROUT CLASSIFICATIONS

Spot on with your summary! The adhesion test (C) is the most difficult to pass because the adhesive is put through a series of tests, freeze/thaw cycles, water immersion etc and then the bond strengths are measured after 28 days. C1 is greater than 0.5 N/mm2 after all the different cycles and C2 is greater than 1 N/mm2.

Adhesives classed C2 may well have some flexural properties because you do need a reasonable addition of polymer to achieve the C2. The official start for the flexibility/deformability test starts with the S1 which is greater than 2.5mm of flex and then the S2 is greater than 5mm flex.


There are a lot of flexible adhesives on the market these days, if you are using an S1 or S2 rated adhesive you can have that extra piece of mind!

 

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Dan

Admin

Staff member

• Sep 10, 2015

• #5

Have any classifications changed or been added recently does anybody know?

 

Stu Lilley

TF

• Oct 17, 2015

• #6

These classifications should be known by all tilers and shop staff within the tiling industry... Failure to do so only lets the industry down

 

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mattle40

• Oct 25, 2015

• #7

I think a lot of the time the classification is too broad
Bal SPF has always been my go to adhesive really which is a C2TE.
I'm now Moving to mapei and their two C2TE adhesives, the p9 and p10 both have different specs to each other and both different from bal spf.

I think this is mostly why the trade counters and a lot of fitters don't know the classifications because to a point they're irrelevant if there can be so much variation within them

 

Dan

Admin

Staff member

• Aug 4, 2016

• #8

Just checking in on this. Is everything still the same?

 

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NZ_Tiler

• May 4, 2017

• #9

Grout classification isn't showing up on my end.

W= more resistant to water
A = better abrasion resistance

C & R are the same as adhesive properties. ..

 

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NZ_Tiler

• May 4, 2017

• #10

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think 1N/mm2 is roughly 9kg of pulling pressure

 

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J Sid

• May 4, 2017

• #11

NZ_Tiler said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think 1N/mm2 is roughly 9kg of pulling pressure

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isn't 1N = about 0.1kg
10N = 9.8 kg

 

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Unused Account 1

• May 4, 2017

• #12

To much new technicalities ,never had aby problems before lol

 

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Dumbo

• May 5, 2017

• #13

The main question is . Is there a independent body that test adhesive to see Wether it is as good as the manufacturers claim .

 

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NZ_Tiler

• May 5, 2017

• #14

jcrtiling said:

The main question is . Is there a independent body that test adhesive to see Wether it is as good as the manufacturers claim .

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Well my understanding if it has the EN 12004 stamp then it's been through those strict tests to get its rating.

Definitely wary of anything without a standard stamp.

 

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J Sid

• May 5, 2017

• #15

I understand it was only the manufacture who did the test or had it done and then gave themselves the 'stamp'

 

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NZ_Tiler

• May 5, 2017

• #16

I can't just throw some sand and cement in a bag and claim it to be in accordance with EN12004 C2TES2. That would be ridiculous

 

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J Sid

• May 5, 2017

• #17

NZ_Tiler said:

I can't just throw some sand and cement in a bag and claim it to be in accordance with EN12004 C2TES2. That would be ridiculous

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I know, but I believe that's how it works.
stand to be corrected.
Mark@Tilemaster would know

 

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Dumbo

• May 5, 2017

• #18

JulianSidney said:

I understand it was only the manufacture who did the test or had it done and then gave themselves the 'stamp'

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That what I thought also the various numbers and letters

 

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J Sid

• May 7, 2017

• #19

JulianSidney said:

I know, but I believe that's how it works.
stand to be corrected.
Mark@Tilemaster would know

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maybe his keeping a low profile after 'adhesive poll' gate 😉

 

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NZ_Tiler

• May 7, 2017

• #20

One thing that they could improve on is actually state the true result of a test. Not just is equal or greater than 0.5N/mm2. That way we could really compare products.

Some products may just scrap in where others well exceed.

 

Dan

Admin

Staff member

• Sep 18, 2020

• #21

Which are the most expensive do you find? (question to everybody reading this no matter what month or year)