Gay Marriage

[Dougs Third Go]

the Uk's first same sex marriage happens this w/end, so, your thought's? no homophobic, gay bashing posts please. Just opinions on whether it's what we deem as "marriage" or is marriage a contract to procreate, a very very very grey area.

 

[John Benton]

Not grey Doug, black and white to me

 

[charlie1]

Let them be I say.

 

[Qwerty]

Well, being a Christian I have some very strong views in this but following the biblical injunction for a "man to leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one," speaks volumes.

I'm not going to go all religious on you all but the bible states-
'Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh so they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.'

 

[Dougs Third Go]

Well, being a Christian I have some very strong views in this but following the biblical injunction for a "man to leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one," speaks volumes.

I'm not going to go all religious on you all but the bible states-
'Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh so they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.'

I'm actually agnostic Geoff, not atheist by any means, just with so many cultures/beliefs/dieties/icons flying around in this cosmopolitan society, therefore I refuse to pigeonhole myself as I see doctrination and indoctrination in all religions. To my thinking it's all fair in love and war, love who you love, swear your love, keep your fidelity, and when you've drawn your final breath and if there is a god, let him sort it out.

 

[John Benton]

All I would say on religion is that if you are told something many times over you start to believe it. There's the Bible, the Quran, and the Mr Men books, and I'm more inclined to believe that Mr Tickle exists!!!

 

[gamma38]

Adam and eve not adam and steve, not religious at all. I don't think it should happen.

 

[One Day]

Why the push for "equality"?
Girls have to be equal to boys. Women have to be equal to men. Homosexuals have to be equal to Heterosexuals.
We're different. Brilliant and awful in different ways -all of us.
The push for "equality" has undermined the family unit and it is starting on society as a whole now.
Think about the real meaning of equality...

 

[beanz]

I couldn't care one way or the other!?! Do what makes you happy I say...

 

[Dougs Third Go]

I couldn't care one way or the other!?! Do what makes you happy I say...

and that is my take on it too

 

[cam_low]

"Marriage predates recorded history" this is what's called a logic fallacy. Because if marriage predated recorded history then how could anyone know about it if it's not recorded.

God invented marriage with Adam and Eve to become one flesh and was recorded in the book of Genesis. Surely it is down to the church to set these rules giving the gay community no right to get married?

 

[Dougs Third Go]

"Marriage predates recorded history" this is what's called a logic fallacy. Because if marriage predated recorded history then how could anyone know about it if it's not recorded.

God invented marriage with Adam and Eve to become one flesh and was recorded in the book of Genesis. Surely it is down to the church to set these rules giving the gay community no right to get married?

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I don't think the church will/are conducting gay marriages Cam, so really same as getting married at a register office (as me and my wife were, my local bigot vicar refused to marry us in my parish chursh as my wife was a divorcee,,,ohhhh the shame!!)

 

[TJ Smiler]

I think it's all a load of bull, i don't like the idea of it and find the whole thing uncomfortable, but then i am not gay so how else would i be expected to feel? I can't pretend that i am one of these new world liberal minded people that can see nothing wrong in anything but I haven't really given it any thought to be honest. They are gay, they are gay, so what. What does annoy me is always having this stories in front of me (i know it needs to be done) by the media!! whether they are trying to get me to agree with it or get me to disagree with it i find it boring, uninteresting and i am more than capable of making my own mind up. Get married, have a great day and be happy, either way i am more concerned about my next tile cutter purchase, Rubi or Sigma?????

 

[widler]

My daughters mates a lesbian, shes fit

 

[Time's Ran Out]

And I remember when the Flintstones would have ' a gay old time'!

 

[Qwerty]

But how can it be a true marriage ("holy matrimony") if it's not "according to gods holy law". These are phrases used in marriage vows because it is a religious event! Anything else is still just a civil partnership really isn't it!!!!???
I bet those of you who married in a registry office (or aren't religious) still had these words somewhere in your "service".

I'm not homophobic at all, just disagree with calling it marriage (and husband & husband or wife & wife or one pretending to be the other etc etc)

Now THIS is an interesting debate (thank you Doug).....I could feel the IQ being sapped from me in recent threads over the past few days!!!!!

 

[gamma38]

My first wife turned out to be a lesbian. 5years marriage. *****, ****, carpet licker, rug muncher!!!

It should definitely not be called marriage, they campaigned and get civil partnership, won, there you go all the rights of marriage. No sooner did they get that, we now want marriage, now they have that. What next???

Here is a scenario for you, a true one as well. My now wife (this one hasn't turned yet) is a nurse and she works with a lesbo, her and her decided to have a baby with a turkey baster. When said baby was born both women got maternity leave. :yikes:

Full maternity leave.

I think it's straight people who should be fighting for equal rights!!!!

 

[TJ Smiler]

That's where i say i am uncomfortable with it, the whole husband & husband thing..... It feels fake.
I couldn't give a toss about someone being gay, but getting married...... really??

 

[Gazzer]

Its got nothing to do with me, more things in this world concern me.

 

[widler]

Its only religious people who it bothers (and nazis) , personally i think religion has a lot more to answer for.

 

[Martyn Leeds]

My husband wouldn't trim the kitchen plinths - so I ditched him.

 

[Stef]

^^^^^^^

 

[beanz]

I do agree that churches shouldn't be forced to perform gay marriages, but they will be doing it before long, as there's money to be made, and gods word is very flexible. Since the birth of Christianity, the churches stance on most things has been changing to suit modern times and lifestyles.. Just look at all the dates in the religious Callander that were created to incorporate the pagan festivals, just to make Christianity a less bitter pill to swallow.
if anyone at the top of these organisations really believed what they were spouting, they wouldn't dare change a thing!

 

[John Benton]

Its only religious people who it bothers (and nazis) , personally i think religion has a lot more to answer for.

Well said that man!!! Although Mr Tickle has caused a few rows in our house, however it has never lead to anybody being put on a cross to die or put up against a wall and shot. It has been close to it though!!! :lol:

 

[widler]

Bit of a story about gays and religion !
Once upon a time a girl saw God in hospital after taking a overdose.
So when she came out she went out to seek this God.
She became 'reborn' and moved to south africa to live on a mission.
after many years she married a south african christian who was quite high up in the church.
After a year of blissfull marriage she caught said man in bed with another man, they were not tickling
It turned out he was a queer, what did this great christian church do , haters of gays and anything not godlike ?????
They kicked the girl back to england and the man is still at said church preaching by day and bumming by night
True story

 

[Ajax123]

But how can it be a true marriage ("holy matrimony") if it's not "according to gods holy law". These are phrases used in marriage vows because it is a religious event! Anything else is still just a civil partnership really isn't it!!!!???
I bet those of you who married in a registry office (or aren't religious) still had these words somewhere in your "service".

I'm not homophobic at all, just disagree with calling it marriage (and husband & husband or wife & wife or one pretending to be the other etc etc)

Now THIS is an interesting debate (thank you Doug).....I could feel the IQ being sapped from me in recent threads over the past few days!!!!!

That presupposes that that marriage is a Christian institution. It is not. Marriage predates Christianity by thousands of years. It is a legal institution and yet another rite that Christianity hijacked, like Christmas, baptism and Easter.... It is also arrogant to think that Marriage must be between 1 man and 1 woman. There are still cultures today that accept and legitimise bigamous marriage and it is not so long ago since Mormons (a Christian sect) accepted and encouraged bigamy. No the civil marriage service does not use the phrase holy matrimony. It marries people in the eyes of the law. It's nowt to do with God. And don't get me started on the presupposition that God exists and controlls what people do...

Man created god in his image.... Not the other way round. Or there would only be one wouldn't there?

 

[Ajax123]

I do agree that churches shouldn't be forced to perform gay marriages, but they will be doing it before long, as there's money to be made, and gods word is very flexible. Since the birth of Christianity, the churches stance on most things has been changing to suit modern times and lifestyles.. Just look at all the dates in the religious Callander that were created to incorporate the pagan festivals, just to make Christianity a less bitter pill to swallow.
if anyone at the top of these organisations really believed what they were spouting, they wouldn't dare change a thing!

they didn't move the calendar round to fit in with pagans. They hijacked the festivals and persecuted, tortured and often killed anyone who disagreed. Especially following the council of Nicea in the 4th century... Where incidentally the divinity of Jesus was balloted and voted for, although not by a majority. I'm afraid Christianity has over the years been a brutal and aggressive regime of intolerance and bigotry.

 

[charlie1]

Oh dear... I think this could become explosive! People are very protective of what they believe in and I don't think any forum is equipped to discuss it .... I'm oot!

 

[beanz]

they didn't move the calendar round to fit in with pagans. They hijacked the festivals and persecuted, tortured and often killed anyone who disagreed. Especially following the council of Nicea in the 4th century... Where incidentally the divinity of Jesus was balloted and voted for, although not by a majority. I'm afraid Christianity has over the years been a brutal and aggressive regime of intolerance and bigotry.

I was saying that they altered the "religious Callander". They changed the dates of religious events, so it would fit the pagan Callander. 😉

Mark, you're right, and this bread will be closed before long. It's a shame really.... I don't see why people can't have a discussion without turning everything into an argument, and getting personal!?!

 

[Ajax123]

Oh dear... I think this could become explosive! People are very protective of what they believe in and I don't think any forum is equipped to discuss it .... I'm oot!

i agree that people are protective of what try beleive in but that is no reason it should become explosive. Faith is a personal thing. Don't get me wrong, I have my own beliefs, they are not conventional and I do not accept that salvation is achieved by faith in ones god. My daughter also follows obscure religious beliefs, the paths of the ancient Egyptian religion. They did not accept blind faith as a means to salvation but that man controlled his destiny in partnership with his gods. A much more pragmatic approach.

 

[widler]

They shouldn't close the thread .
people can believe in what they want,should be able to,
my religion is my wife and kids,I worship them everyday,I don't need some false deity to fill any gaps 🙂

(BEER COMES A CLOSE SECOND)