Weber Set Trade S1, real problems!

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Billski

Hi all,

Has any one out there had any issues with using this Weber product over ply? Weber set trade S1 grey rapid.

I've never used it before as I always use their SPF rapid set, but noticed it for the first time in the tile shop and after speaking to the sales guy he talked me into giving it a go. "It is an S1 rated product", he said, " so is just as good as their SPF adhesive", he said...

The sub floor is very solid floor boards which are all screwed down, then over boarded with 18mm hard wood WBP ply ( I know it's not called that now but what ever the rating is now ), bought from my local builders merchants and I've been using the same stuff for years with no problems. All screwed down every 300mm with screws long enough to reach the floor joists, no movement, so the sub floor is as good as it can be. Tiled the floor in a couple of stages so some tiles have been down for 2 weeks and some for 2 days. Yet all the tiles are coming away from the ply, even the ones under the work top where the dishwasher will go. The tiles are only 300x300mm so nothing special, ceramic, all back buttered and fixed with a 12 mm trowel. The adhesive has fixed solid to the tile but nothing, and I mean nothing has fixed to the ply! Weber have suggested the ply has been coated in something or contaminated. Looks perfect to me. The ply is now a very dark colour from the contact with the adhesive.

I'm now waiting for Weber to hopefully send some one out to look at it as at first they wanted me to send them samples of the adhesive. I've used Weber for years with no problems to date so I'd hope they'd sort things as the tiles are now ruined.

Any one used it?
 
I've never used it on wood. I've used pallets of it on concrete/slc/ditra with no issues in the 18 months or so it's been available.
These 'trade' bags i think are misleading. When I've dug deeper they confess to reducing the polymer content to the bare minimum. That said, it's not polymer which would bond to wood, it's the cement isn't it?
If you've got good bond on the tile but nothing on wood, it's likely to be something up with the wood.
 
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I've fixed them same tile to the same wood with a different manufactures adhesive and they've stuck perfectly, so it can't be the wood!
 
If you've any of the same batch left, test it again on different ply. Photograph everything inc' batch numbers and your invoices. Get evidence if you need to claim from Weber. More evidence the less chance you give them of claiming fixer error.
 
Has the adhesive stuck to the back of the tile well, and just not stuck to the wood, or a bit of both?
 
I was hoping some hadn't stuck to the tile suggesting adhesive mix failure at factory or something.

Whats the priming procedure with that stuff?

Edit: got ninja'd by Paul there lol I think we are thinking down the same path here.
 
No need to prime the tiled side of the ply, just prime under side and edges. The ply is bare.
 
Got any pictures of the back of the tiles that lifted, with the adhesive on the back, and the bit of floor they came up from?

Edit... The higher the resolution the better 🙂
 
Like what though? It's new ply and if touch it with a wet finger it absorbs the moister. Used 4 sheets and it's all the same.
 
That's a strange one. Has the ply supplier changed the batch or anything. I'm all out of suggestions now just clutching at straws.

I'd love to hear what weber think after checking it.

Do you have any of the adhesive you normally use hanging around to sick an offcut down with to see what happens to that? If that sticks and is still stuck when the rep arrives it'd sure make his head scratch.
 
Am I right in saying the date on the bag is the date of manufacture and not expiry? I think we've done this before and somebody checked for us.
 
Date on the bag is 19.12.2016. so it's still in date and yes I've already used another manufactures adhesive on a separate part off the floor which has stuck perfectly.
 
Well that Kinda proves its the adhesive for me then if that was also S1
 
I know adhesive companies have been struggling with the different types of ply on the market and the variation on what you ask for and what you get. I would reckon Webber will come back with it hasn't been primed correctly.
 
I know adhesive companies have been struggling with the different types of ply on the market and the variation on what you ask for and what you get. I would reckon Webber will come back with it hasn't been primed correctly.
Apparently doesnt need the surface priming.
 
Is that right?!

No..... 300mm floors. No can't see any recommendation for screwing on timber walls, just says it should be avoided in moist areas, and if you have to use it out of desperation..... or for a bet, keep the areas as small as possible.

Ha ha.... I said "moist".......... I'm such a child!
 
Apparently doesnt need the surface priming.


I would always advise priming with an acrylic based at 3:1 on ply with the grades that are out there now! Have seen this twice with different brands in the last six months and the answer has been sub standard ply whifh wpuld have been ok of primed correctly! Personally not a fan of these "no prime" adhesives available because of this!
 
I would always advise priming with an acrylic based at 3:1 on ply with the grades that are out there now! Have seen this twice with different brands in the last six months and the answer has been sub standard ply whifh wpuld have been ok of primed correctly! Personally not a fan of these "no prime" adhesives available because of this!
And if you prime against the manufacturer recommendations they blame the fact you have primed it !!
Can't win really...
 
I was always told not to prime ply unless it's dusty. Beginning to which I'd primed it now but if the instructions say not then I'd be going against the mi's, so they'd get me on that.
 

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