fast tiling

[The D]

Was it diplomatic or timely for mods and members to try and ridicule another member and his Gaffer in the open forum ?? Or was that just a bit of fun because it was not directed at you lot ?? At least I started a new thread in the arms to give you a bit back.

 

[Qwerty]

:huh2:
Apologies, what are you referring to?

 

[TJ Smiler]

my speed has improved loads over the last couple of years without the standard of my finish dropping, personally i don't think that speed means rubbish, down here there is quiet a well known tiler in our little area (nic name of 'mad mick') Whitebeam possibly could have herd of him too lovely bloke but i'm sure he was born on speed, travels around with all his tools on the back of a scooter and he is 100 mph CONSTANTLY! He would have done what Deano has done in a day 'on his own' and his finish is fine...... so when i see 36m2 done in one day by a tiler and a lad i am very impressed as i can't do it that fast and if i'm honest also a touch envious and even a bit angry! but i never think that because it has been done so quick that it means the end result is going to be bad, speed comes with practice.

3 bed house bathroom, tiling only used to take me over a week years ago, it now takes me on average about 2/3 days and the standard is much MUCH better than it used to be too.

Deano's job, me with a lad would probably take me 3 days. Wish i could do it faster and i'm always striving to speed up cos for me i just want the money and move on to the next job.

 

[Andy Allen]

imo any tiler that's been tiling for 30 plus years should be able to tile that in a day.

im a lot like brian ...brain say's yes, body say's no..

I could do it as a one off, but not day in day out....it would end up killing me, which is the main reason I packed in site work...

 

[AliGage]

I cannot believe that this has escalated into such a bitchfest.
I suppose in a way i started this. I did have a motive and there IS and underlying reason behind my comments.
Ridiculed for Ash and (cant be bothered going looking for the post but.... ) his gaffer knocking out 38m, they werent. I dont think anyone was "ridiculed" in that post.
We all complain about builders, cowboys etc etc. Ash has been tiling for all of 5 minutes. Are we suggesting that he should be able to knock that sort of coverage out in a day? If he does then do we think that he has the experience to apply both speed and accuracy to his work? I would argue no. And thats not just because its Ash.

Its almost comical that the same people that would complain about course tilers are supporting "bash it out" attitude to someone that isnt even a course tiler. Its nothing short of ludicrous in my opinion. Care, finesse and attention to detail are all vitally important traits i feel in our industry. Traits that should take presidence over speed and profit.
Yes a tiler of some 30 years can probably get it done. I personally hate working when i feel rushed. Believe it or not i like my job and trade and this will continue to be the case all the while i apply my own attitude towards my work and continue to enjoy it.

So ill ask the question. 38sqm fixed in a day. Is this something that a tiler at apprentice level should be achieving? Or aiming towards? Is quantity at this level more important than quality?

On a personal level i wouldnt know if i could cover that floor in the same time frame Deano has. To be completely honest it doesnt look very complex in layout. Nothing too awkward to navigate. But id sooner not. I mean what would you charge then? £20psm? So were saying £700+ per day!? I couldnt justify that to a customer. Maybe speedy residential work like that might encourage cheaper pricing. We've all complained about that havent we? Couple cheap pricing and inexeperience together do we not get the other bug bear? Poor finish. Cowboy builders blah blah blah.

If you think about it in a way youre shooting yourselves in both feet.

If you can do it with experience then thats fannastic. Without complaint, awesome!
Setting the bar there for apprentice tilers is nothing short of industry destruction and stupid. IMO

 

[Ian]

This is the perfect example of everything I hate about this forum recently. Why do people feel the need to purposely start arguments? It's quite simply trolling. There's a big difference between having a heated discussion and trolling for a reaction.

 

[Ian]

Just in case anyone reads that wrong, this isn't directed at any individuals, just the thread as a whole.

 

[The D]

Ash did not say he did it did he. It was his gaffer and why do you think that you can't have attention to detailed and all the rest of it and do that amount in a day.

 

[The D]

This is the perfect example of everything I hate about this forum recently. Why do people feel the need to purposely start arguments? It's quite simply trolling. There's a big difference between having a heated discussion and trolling for a reaction.

if you think I am Trolling then ban me!

 

[Dougs Third Go]

I think the thread title says it all "fast tiling", to my mind it is fast, certainly faster than I could manage. I think Dean is on top of his game and working very efficiently, surely that's to be applauded.

 

[Ian]

if you think I am Trolling then ban me!

Why is that what this is all about? You want to get banned from an online forum?

 

[Qwerty]

I think the thread title says it all "fast tiling", to my mind it is fast, certainly faster than I could manage. I think Dean is on top of his game and working very efficiently, surely that's to be applauded.

Couldnt agree more Doug.


My issue Deano was that you were quoting "my" work ethics, replying to "my" posts and being openly proud of causing upset.


I now understand that the underlying issue WAS with others (I think). I never slated fast tiling, but added some tongue in cheek humour to lighten the atmosphere. Even this got flipped around to try to start an argument. I have now read through the entire "DIY bathroom" thread which created this monster. In there
Deano you are partial to "mocking" Ash about his speed, but he took it as a joke (which I assume you meant it to be).........

so you finished at breakfast then

Sadly it is one of those threads which was clearly created to end this way. As [MENTION=22801]Bri[/MENTION] said posting of this nature is tantamount to trolling and [MENTION=33317]AliGage[/MENTION] thankyou for shedding some light on how this thread has come to be in existence....I think it may have been your "yeeeeeeah" comment that started it.


I love a good discussion as much as the next tiler, but WILL stand up for myself and others when directly targeted Deano. You stated how much you get the hump when slow tilers slate fast tilers yet you refuse to acknowledge that people take offence at you slating how slow they are. To me arrogance really is a repulsive character trait.


If you haven't got a sound basis for your argument, then don't enter into one. In order for any argument to be valid the conclusion must follow logically from the basis and it has to be a non-fallacious logical form.....the exact opposite of your approach.

 

[Diggy]

Getting back to the point , and on a more serious note.

Deano , can I assume the floor was pretty flat? , as I can't see any 'adhesive squeeze' between the joints so it must have dropped in sweet as a nut.

Nice job.

Diggy

 

[CJ]

Quality not quantity comes first.........then the longer you have been doing it.....the faster you should get, but not so fast that your quality suffers. We all have had jobs where the substrate has been perfect, and you could almost throw the tiles and they land spot on.......but those jobs are few and far between.

The older we all get, the slower we become.

Why rush anything.

 

[The D]

Couldnt agree more Doug.


My issue Deano was that you were quoting "my" work ethics, replying to "my" posts and being openly proud of causing upset.


I now understand that the underlying issue WAS with others (I think). I never slated fast tiling, but added some tongue in cheek humour to lighten the atmosphere. Even this got flipped around to try to start an argument. I have now read through the entire "DIY bathroom" thread which created this monster. In there
Deano you are partial to "mocking" Ash about his speed, but he took it as a joke (which I assume you meant it to be).........





Sadly it is one of those threads which was clearly created to end this way. As @Bri said posting of this nature is tantamount to trolling and @AliGage thankyou for shedding some light on how this thread has come to be in existence....I think it may have been your "yeeeeeeah" comment that started it.


I love a good discussion as much as the next tiler, but WILL stand up for myself and others when directly targeted Deano. You stated how much you get the hump when slow tilers slate fast tilers yet you refuse to acknowledge that people take offence at you slating how slow they are. To me arrogance really is a repulsive character trait.


If you haven't got a sound basis for your argument, then don't enter into one. In order for any argument to be valid the conclusion must follow logically from the basis and it has to be a non-fallacious logical form.....the exact opposite of your approach.

The arroganc of people is why I started this thread. Why is it whenever someone mentions they tile x amount in x time people feel the need to say they may be slower but it is because the put more in to it than the one going faster than them ??
I have a valid point and I do not start something if I think I am wrong.
yes I have poked fun at ash and I have always told him the truth about what I think but it was not ash that was Bering questions was it. The tiler that ash is working for is doing a job on site and that is a lot different to domestic tiling. Ash said his gaffer did 33m2 in a day and the very next post was a negative post about back buttering then there was a post mor or less calling him a liar and a nother comment about getting hurt from the tiles as they are thrown down.
IMO it is theads like that one that are the bad ones on this forum there was no need for it and it was someone eylses tread.

 

[Spud]

so here is what I did yesterday and today , tiles were already on site the floor was scraped, hoovered , primed and ditra matted the day before , about 75m2 tiled by me and another lad all tiles were back spread and the floor was bedded out with adhesive where needed . started at 9 am finished at 4 the first day started at 8.30am and finished at 5pm this evening and also latexed a small 10m2 utility floor as well , nothing special we didnt rush just worked at a normal pace left the place clean and tidy and put all our waste in the skip. I know tilers like PJC has guys that knock out 60m2 plus a day on their own to a fair standard on shop floors and do this day in and day out

 

[TJ Smiler]

Looks great mate, 2 days is bloody good. I really have to find someone to work with more often, i do 99% of jobs on my own and a floor like that would prob take me about 5 days 'odd'. Not so sure it's working out cost effective for me to keep doing it on my own, yeah i get a bigger lump of money but it is so much graft on your todd, all the washing, tidying, mixing etc takes up so much time. Trying to find a laborer is bloody difficult though.............

If you get anything you want a hand on mate gis a bell if your normal fellers aint available, i'm in Broxborne (hertford) so only down the 414.

 

[Spud]

Looks great mate, 2 days is bloody good. I really have to find someone to work with more often, i do 99% of jobs on my own and a floor like that would prob take me about 5 days 'odd'. Not so sure it's working out cost effective for me to keep doing it on my own, yeah i get a bigger lump of money but it is so much graft on your todd, all the washing, tidying, mixing etc takes up so much time. Trying to find a laborer is bloody difficult though.............

If you get anything you want a hand on mate gis a bell if your normal fellers aint available, i'm in Broxborne (hertford) so only down the 414.

PM sent

 

[Martyn Leeds]

Spot-on,

I wish and hope that I'll get to the point where I can easily knock-out 20-30m a day.

The thing I don't get is how its possible to get every single tile fitted. Right upto the corners, doorways, last bits at the end of a run, and its all dry enough to walk on, kneel on to reach out to put the last cuts in??

I had to spread a 4m bathroom floor over 2 days at the weekend, it was impossible to get 2 cuts in, so it was either sit around for 2-3 hrs to wait for it to dry (on a Sunday aft), or pack-up and come back the next day..

 

[jonnyc]

Spot-on,

I wish and hope that I'll get to the point where I can easily knock-out 20-30m a day.

The thing I don't get is how its possible to get every single tile fitted. Right upto the corners, doorways, last bits at the end of a run, and its all dry enough to walk on, kneel on to reach out to put the last cuts in??

I had to spread a 4m bathroom floor over 2 days at the weekend, it was impossible to get 2 cuts in, so it was either sit around for 2-3 hrs to wait for it to dry (on a Sunday aft), or pack-up and come back the next day..

welltheres the thing martyn.
it all comes together with experience but certainly possible

 

[Andy Allen]

Spot-on,

I wish and hope that I'll get to the point where I can easily knock-out 20-30m a day.

The thing I don't get is how its possible to get every single tile fitted. Right upto the corners, doorways, last bits at the end of a run, and its all dry enough to walk on, kneel on to reach out to put the last cuts in??

I had to spread a 4m bathroom floor over 2 days at the weekend, it was impossible to get 2 cuts in, so it was either sit around for 2-3 hrs to wait for it to dry (on a Sunday aft), or pack-up and come back the next day..

I dry cut it all first then stick them down starting with the ones you wont be able to reach..

 

[TJ Smiler]

Spot-on,

I wish and hope that I'll get to the point where I can easily knock-out 20-30m a day.

The thing I don't get is how its possible to get every single tile fitted. Right upto the corners, doorways, last bits at the end of a run, and its all dry enough to walk on, kneel on to reach out to put the last cuts in??

I had to spread a 4m bathroom floor over 2 days at the weekend, it was impossible to get 2 cuts in, so it was either sit around for 2-3 hrs to wait for it to dry (on a Sunday aft), or pack-up and come back the next day..

For me mate (and i aint near as fast as some of these fellers) i always try as best i can and heights etc permitting tile level so i'm gonna be tiling into corners etc i'll snap a few chalk lines and then work from the corners back to my last line and because i work to 'plumb' i already no what level i gotta keep my tiles at so the meet perfectly......... hope that makes sense?

 

[The D]

so here is what I did yesterday and today , tiles were already on site the floor was scraped, hoovered , primed and ditra matted the day before , about 75m2 tiled by me and another lad all tiles were back spread and the floor was bedded out with adhesive where needed . started at 9 am finished at 4 the first day started at 8.30am and finished at 5pm this evening and also latexed a small 10m2 utility floor as well , nothing special we didnt rush just worked at a normal pace left the place clean and tidy and put all our waste in the skip. I know tilers like PJC has guys that knock out 60m2 plus a day on their own to a fair standard on shop floors and do this day in and day out

that looks like a real good job m8 and done in quick time ;0)

 

[The D]

Just out of interest Gary how would you feel if you found out that on another forum or down the pub there was a couple of domestic bathroom bashers that had never met you and never seen your work and new nothing about you except the fact you did 75m2 in two days and they was basically saying you must be cutting corners or lieing about how much you had done.

I have just read this back and answered my own question I would feel sory for them. So I apologise for trying to make you see just how bloody rud you are as it is purely down to the ignarence of what is possible in the trade from a real tiler.

 

[m3fitter]

OK i was reading a thread and was quite surprised at the attitude of some of the members when it comes to tilers that can get the m2 done quick time. the comments came thick and fast "if it was done that quick it must have been done wrong as in not back skimmed or it must be rough or a lie". now I'm not one to start an argument and i know that fast does not automatically mean good. but it does not automatically mean bad. and i know it is hard for some to conceive that a tiler can fix more than five m2 per day without it being complete rubbish but believe it or not some of us can. and to be honest slow is no guarantee of quality either. i will post some pics tomorrow of a floor i did today 36m2 kitchen, dining room, broom cupboard, hall, cupboard under the stairs, and cloak room. on to a power floated floor using 600 by 300 Eagle polished porcelain.


but for now here is one from the other day not exactly high end but not minging either
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Agree totally, arrrr but the next day... hmmmm its taken its toll !! lol

 

[jonnyc]

understand the first paragraph but not the second.

 

[m3fitter]

speed doesn't necessarily mean bad quality, I can tile 35 metres on my own on a good day, and sometimes only 12... the speed can reflect how good the substrate is... i'm finding that 800x800 porcs fly down, quicker than 600x600, yet 600x300 rectified halfbond is slowwwwww, or chamfered edge 300x300 old style floors really fly down, tiling on Anhydrate flies down...... Saturday morning tiling as a rule does not fly down ! lol

 

[Qwerty]

understand the first paragraph but not the second.

Likewise

 

[Spud]

Just out of interest Gary how would you feel if you found out that on another forum or down the pub there was a couple of domestic bathroom bashers that had never met you and never seen your work and new nothing about you except the fact you did 75m2 in two days and they was basically saying you must be cutting corners or lieing about how much you had done.

I have just read this back and answered my own question I would feel sory for them. So I apologise for trying to make you see just how bloody rud you are as it is purely down to the ignarence of what is possible in the trade from a real tiler.[/QUOTE) not too worried about what other tilers say as all tilers are a bit on the bitchy side it starts as soon as you start to learn and walk into every pub and restaurant and critique the standard of the tiling .in Germany they have a tariff book everything is set out by time and motion studies ceramic floor tiling tiled and grouted is one sq metre per hour wall tiling 1.1 hours they have pretty much broken down all the items I wonder if Rainsco could publish the tariffs for us to have a look at then you could honestly say if you are faster or slower than tariff

 

[TJ Smiler]

in Germany they have a tariff book everything is set out by time and motion studies ceramic floor tiling tiled and grouted is one sq metre per hour wall tiling 1.1 hours they have pretty much broken down all the items I wonder if Rainsco could publish the tariffs for us to have a look at then you could honestly say if you are faster or slower than tariff[/QUOTE]

How interesting, look forward to reading more from Rainsco

 

[peteablard]

I wasn't sure why this thread was started then did a bit of digging and found the other thread that sparked it and to be fair there were a few comments aimed at Ash that were uncalled for. I've fixed and grouted 60m2 in a shift single handed several times doing car showrooms. I've laid over 40m2 of ditra and tiled it in a day on my own. Why would any of us lie or exaggerate what we are capable of or what we've seen people do? I've also been part of a 3 man team that struggled to fix 10m2 between us in a day!! If everything goes well and you're the type of person who gets their head down and cracks on with it then it 30+ metres a day is easy in the right circumstances.
I've met Dean and I know he can argue with the best of them (No offence meant pal) However I genuinely believe this thread was started with the intention of proving a valid point and not to fall out with people.