ATS blade, Grinder,

[Stef]

Alan from ATS sent me a new blade to try.
I've only had the chance to try it on ceramic tiles but have to test it on natural stone & quartz to see how it cuts.
On the ceramic it leaves a great cut, I've a slight bit of wobble in my grinder but I think this is the best blade I've used from ATS to date.
Will report back the more it gets tested.

 

[White Room]

How much ?

 

[J Sid]

been trying it as well, so far only on porcelain.
the first half dozen cut were bloody terrible, but once it was worked in a bit it cut very well.
so far, yes, good blade
price....no idea

 

[Old Mod]

I received one also, I've had it tested on 20mm Quartz, at 115mm might prove restrictive with Quartz because 20mm is about its limit.
However, this is the very first two cuts (2 on right) up against a 150mm segmented blade which is normally used for Quartz.
I had given it to a guy who fits Quartz on a daily basis, his initial impressions were good but was concerned that as it didn't have much width to the cutting blade, therefore he thought it may have problems clearing the debris.


I'll try it on some limestone and Porcel-Thin tomorrow.

 

[Stef]

How much ?

No prices as of yet..

 

[Stef]

been trying it as well, so far only on porcelain.
the first half dozen cut were bloody terrible, but once it was worked in a bit it cut very well.
so far, yes, good blade
price....no idea

Julian I was the same, the 1st cut I stopped & took the grinder outside & ran it through a concrete block a few times, back in the house it was cutting great.
It removes debris very quickly form the cut.
I used it to cut Hardie today with a sponge at the back for dust & it worked well.

 

[Kyle Knowles]

It's exactly the same as the trojan blade mentioned on the forum and I paid £16.99

 

[White Room]

Seen a few on the net which are similar....

 

[Old Mod]

It's exactly the same as the trojan blade mentioned on the forum and I paid £16.99

There are many blades on the market now with that particular design.
I've paid as little as £5.99 for a 125mm which has given excellent results.
Incidentally, it has gone up to £12.99 now, so must have been popular.

 

[Kyle Knowles]

The trojan blade is exactly the same red colour which is a coincidence or they both buy them from the same manufacturer

 

[Concrete guy]

Thanks guys, no prices yet this is just at test stage, if it looks like it will perform well we'll get some in. It will be comparable to our turbo porcelain blades though, it's not going to be £40 or anything.

@3_fall we have some of these in 125mm to test if your quartz guy wants to run one. 125mm is a more common size for our masons for this blade. The factory also produce this in a 175mm size which is slightly odd, but nothing larger currently.

If anyone has some absurdly dense 20mm porcelain or Dekton or Lapitec please give it a try.

Any one else notice it needed bedding in as Julian mentioned?

 

[Concrete guy]

The trojan blade is exactly the same red colour which is a coincidence or they both buy them from the same manufacturer

It's quite possible it's from the same factory in China. Our guy out there sent it over to test to see if it's any good.

We can specify the colour, diamond quality and content but the design would remain unchanged.

 

[Kyle Knowles]

 

[Concrete guy]

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German my a$$! Not for £16.99 it's not.

 

[Concrete guy]

Julian I was the same, the 1st cut I stopped & took the grinder outside & ran it through a concrete block a few times, back in the house it was cutting great.
It removes debris very quickly form the cut.
I used it to cut Hardie today with a sponge at the back for dust & it worked well.

The technical name for running it in concrete block (or anything very abrasive for that matter) is "dressing" the blade. It's also a good tip for bring back to life blades that may appear worn or that have overheated.

It's wearing away some of the sintered metal bond and exposing new diamond, which then cuts much more efficently.

 

[Kyle Knowles]

Lol it could be made by Nigerian widows aslong as it works well haha

 

[Kyle Knowles]

I'd like a blade with that design on it to fit my sigma 10m and my dewalt d24000 what's the chance of that ?

 

[Concrete guy]

I'd like a blade with that design on it to fit my sigma 10m and my dewalt d24000 what's the chance of that ?

Possibly, but the larger these get the more disproportionatley expensive they become. Then conversly the fewer we sell.

Having had a mooch through eBay I'm only finding these in 115mm or 125mm size.

 

[Kyle Knowles]

Well u have to pay for quality if u think of the price of of d24000 or a 10m it's not unreasonable to pay for a quality blade I think montolit make the DNA that fits big wet saws

 

[Stef]

The technical name for running it in concrete block (or anything very abrasive for that matter) is "dressing" the blade. It's also a good tip for bring back to life blades that may appear worn or that have overheated.

It's wearing away some of the sintered metal bond and exposing new diamond, which then cuts much more efficently.

I was doing brick slips a couple of weeks ago & need to dress my turbo blade again as its not cutting great.

 

[Concrete guy]

Well u have to pay for quality if u think of the price of of d24000 or a 10m it's not unreasonable to pay for a quality blade I think montolit make the DNA that fits big wet saws

The issue we have though is we need to manufacture these blades in minimum production runs that generally run into the 1000's of units. That's fine at 115mm & 125mm for grinders as we sell as many as 30 - 50 a day.

At 250mm though if we're only selling 1 or 2 a week I'm reluctant to invest £30,000 into stock in one particular blade size that might take 10 years to sell.

 

[Kyle Knowles]

The issue we have though is we need to manufacture these blades in minimum production runs that generally run into the 1000's of units. That's fine at 115mm & 125mm for grinders as we sell as many as 30 - 50 a day.

At 250mm though if we're only selling 1 or 2 a week I'm reluctant to invest £30,000 into stock in one particular blade size that might take 10 years to sell.

Yeah That makes sense

 

[Kyle Knowles]

Maybe they could knock up some samples WINK WINK WINK and my wet saws would be so happy haha

 

[Concrete guy]

Maybe they could knock up some samples WINK WINK WINK and my wet saws would be so happy haha

We've tried that route before and the factories will do it for us. But we need to pay the mold cost for the new production run and pay for the new sized blank centres to be manufactured. So even a "test" costs circa US$5000, for say 500 blades.

This is the reason why the Montolits are a few hundred pounds, they just don't sell in enough volume to get an economy of scale.

When we visit the factories (in China) it's not uncommon for a production run to be in progress for a big brand, say Bosch or Dewalt. These runs are Millions of units and we have to squeeze our "tiny" orders in between the big branded stuff.

We've even been to one of the factories that produces Marcrist products, but once they found out we were UK based they wouldn't sell to us, which was reasonable.

 

[Kyle Knowles]

 

[Kyle Knowles]

Just found a rubi blade with the same pattern on the blade I wonder if there upto scratch

 

[Concrete guy]

It's worth a try.

We can buy off the shelf stuff like the RUBI blade above, but if we're unbranded (or ATS branded) it needs to be substantially cheaper to attract customers.

If a Montolit DNA is £150 and the ATS version comes in at £120, you're going to buy the DNA every time, it's branded and trusted.

Now if ours comes in at £60 that's a different story and a big saving.

Ultimately it comes down to how many we'd sell. We've been asked and researched a number of products that we've decided not to go ahead with due to concerns over sales volumes.

 

[Old Mod]

This design of blade is quite good but it does suffer the problem of being particularly fragile.
Snag it, and you'll probably tear a chunk out of it.
I know of a fixer on here who had snagged both my pro Gres and his own Rubi viper and torn chunks out of both.
And the Extol industries version of the same blade suffers the same problem.

 

[Concrete guy]

This design of blade is quite good but it does suffer the problem of being particularly fragile.
Snag it, and you'll probably tear a chunk out of it.
I know of a fixer on here who had snagged both my pro Gres and his own Rubi viper and torn chunks out of both.
And the Extol industries version of the same blade suffers the same problem.

That's interesting.

I can see that happening because these are really quite thin.

They are also prone to knocks.

 

[Old Mod]

That's interesting.

I can see that happening because these are really quite thin.

They are also prone to knocks.

Yeah if you drop your grinder, forget it, it's totalled.

 

[Old Mod]

What size blade fits the dewalt?