External mitre profiling tool
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Concrete guy
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Concrete guy
So what would be the preferred depth?
I figured 12mm would cover most porcelain and maybe a bit of 12mm travertine and the odd thicker tile.
I can't see anything over that size being mitred as it's going to be a bit heavy for wall fixing (which is where you generally find mitres).
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Alan.P
Yep, great idea, I would have one.
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Concrete guy
OK, this is good. Leave it with me I'll get some specifications, make sure we can make this so it can be operated dry (factory have already indicated dry is no issue) and get some idea of longevity.
i do alot of mitred corners (every bathroom) so it's important, how long it would last
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Peter
Great idea, would definately mitre more if I had something like this. Wonder what sort of life expectancy it'd have?
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
yes a good idea but running mitres free hand not good this would need to fit into a wetsaw with with horzontal ajustabal gides to work well so you could push tile through while being guided
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Peter
Should the top bearing not keep you in line the same way as a standard bullnoser?
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Concrete guy
That sounds expensive.
Like this:- Raimondi Bull Dog Bullnose Machine - YouTube
I'll get a few made up and see how we get on. The upside of this particular tool is the "profile" is being entirely hidden by design.
I know they work nicely on stone, I've just never made profiling products for porcelain, why would you?
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The D
no no no no no it is Mitre Wiz or nothing !!!
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cam_low
This would interest me but why dry ? Surely wet cutting will prolong the life of the wheel.
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Concrete guy
Many tilers don't have/want wet polishers. They are messy and not practical on site. Those that do, get more value from the tool. Those that don't haven't had to spend £300 on a wet polisher but will get less life - swings and roundabouts.
You're right though, we can make this vacuum brazed to be used wet or dry, using wet will more than double it's lifespan.
This is the profile I've asked the factory to provide a tool for. As you can see it actually cuts very slightly more than 45 degrees to give a little extra room and get the front edge tight.
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Concrete guy
Lifespan.
We estimate the tool cost to be pretty similar to the r10 half bullnose tool we already stock @ £68.15 + vat
On a tool of this nature we'd expect IRO 100 linear Metres cutting marble wet. (68 pence lm + vat)
Porcelain wet probably closer to 65-75 lm. (91 pence lm + vat)
Porcelain dry maybe around 40-50 lm. (£1.36 lm + vat)
We estimate the tool cost to be pretty similar to the r10 half bullnose tool we already stock @ £68.15 + vat
On a tool of this nature we'd expect IRO 100 linear Metres cutting marble wet. (68 pence lm + vat)
Porcelain wet probably closer to 65-75 lm. (91 pence lm + vat)
Porcelain dry maybe around 40-50 lm. (£1.36 lm + vat)
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cam_low
So this would be made to fit a grinder then, what is the best speed to cut at ?
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Concrete guy
It will have an M14 thread in the top and although it would fit nicely on a grinder, unless the grinder was speed variable, you'd pretty quickly wreck the profiler and the tile.
Target speed would be under 4500 rpm (I'll get a firm number but that will be close). So that covers wet or dry polishers or speed variable grinders.
This is the R10 half bullnose we stock, it gives you an idea what the fitting will look like. However on the mitre tool I think a plastic upper guide would be more appropriate for use with porcelain, it won't mark the tile surface as so much more of it will be in contact with the finished face.
There is a hole through the centre of the axle, and if you look at the diamond brazed cutting surface you can see small holes in the slots between the diamond face, this allows water through on centre water fed polishers like Flex machines.
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cam_low
That is super sexy !!!!
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rainsco
i cut all my mitres with a wet saw but i want to have a tool to refinish or do mitres on 120cm tiles.
on marmomacc i try this one:
GHINES - REDLINE - MARBLE AND STONE WORKING MACHINES
but i don´t know if grinding is suitable daily for porcelain gres. i think cutting is more economic.
but i want to test this. do you ship to germany?
on marmomacc i try this one:
GHINES - REDLINE - MARBLE AND STONE WORKING MACHINES
but i don´t know if grinding is suitable daily for porcelain gres. i think cutting is more economic.
but i want to test this. do you ship to germany?
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Concrete guy
I can ship to Germany.
I will post on this thread when the tools are ready. I will probably get 10 or so made to see if it's a viable tool and to see if people actually want to buy it.
Interesting link you provided to another tool that fixes to a grinder. Do you know how much the Easy Bevel costs?
Also how does it cut an external bevel? Do you have to cut with the tile upside down?
EDIT: I've watched the video and it's not quite the same thing, this is a bevel machine to put an arris on the edge of a surface. I'm creating a tool to cut a mitre to allow external mitred corners to be produced without having to go to the expense of a stone router.
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Gazzer
[video=youtube;tIH9VpnLkus]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIH9VpnLkus[/video]
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rainsco
the easy bevel is just for an idea of a better and more professional mitre wizz version. i like the idea of using a standard grinder into a funktional fence.
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Concrete guy
^ I'm thinking that looks like an expensive solution to a problem that's doesn't exist.
Many of the stone masons I know use a vanity blade for arris's. If they want something more profiled or more accurate they use a stone router, which they invariably have.
Whilst that tool above clearly works well I'm not sure I can see the market for it, can you?
Many of the stone masons I know use a vanity blade for arris's. If they want something more profiled or more accurate they use a stone router, which they invariably have.
Whilst that tool above clearly works well I'm not sure I can see the market for it, can you?
I will deffinetly buy MITRE MIZZ . And it's going to last long, becouse i cut most mitres with wet saw, but some times i have 2 or 3 reccesess on one large tile. So it's E,U,L shape tiles with mitred corners and it's hard to do that on dw2400. That is where this tool will be needed :hurray:
. And it's going to last long, becouse i cut most mitres with wet saw, but some times i have 2 or 3 reccesess on one large tile. So it's E,U,L shape tiles with mitred corners and it's hard to do that on dw2400. That is where this tool will be needed :hurray:
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rainsco
i think i m the (only?) market. i do a lot of mitres and most of the time with porcelain gres (feinsteinzeug). this is diffrent to the work of stone masons. a stone mason often works with marble and granit and sandstone but porcelaingres is diffrent. they often cut thru the material with bridge saws. thats diffrent to tiles because mostly we have to cut direktly on the edge. porcelaingres is very crisp too. i do´t know if a stone router can save and economic make mitres?
if you want to do a perfect edge to a 100cm long tile you have a problem with the most portable wet saws because the tiles are often not 100% flat and the blades or tiles drifting away. and often you need 46 or 47 degrees.
so i want a tool for the site to refinish. a tool that can perfekt calibrated and its save enouth.
and i want something to do 2.50 m long perfect mitres. i look at a portable wet saw with 300cm from kaufmann and the AccuGlide MiterMaster attachment for miter cuts - miter, miters, cut, granite, marble, stone, saw, rail, track
rail saw from accuglide. or a stone rooter. i have to test. i buy all and test it 🙂
if you want to do a perfect edge to a 100cm long tile you have a problem with the most portable wet saws because the tiles are often not 100% flat and the blades or tiles drifting away. and often you need 46 or 47 degrees.
so i want a tool for the site to refinish. a tool that can perfekt calibrated and its save enouth.
and i want something to do 2.50 m long perfect mitres. i look at a portable wet saw with 300cm from kaufmann and the AccuGlide MiterMaster attachment for miter cuts - miter, miters, cut, granite, marble, stone, saw, rail, track
rail saw from accuglide. or a stone rooter. i have to test. i buy all and test it 🙂
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Concrete guy
Factory drawings are back. I've ordered 10 to start us off to see how you guys like them.
We have the option to manufacture these in one of 3 grit levels.
Coarse - 40/50 grit (the image of the r10 tool above is 40/50).
Medium - 70/80
Fine - 140/180
As this isn't a finished edge that's seen we've decided to go with coarse which will give the fastest and long lasting tool of all three. We can always alter that with later production of we need to but we think it will provide the best tool for purpose.
The cost will be £68.15 + vat (£81.78) + P&P - I will ship international at cost if required.
We're likely to see these within the next 4 weeks.
If you have an interest in one of these first 10 then let me know and we'll earmark one for you.
I'll post images on this thread when they arrive.
We have the option to manufacture these in one of 3 grit levels.
Coarse - 40/50 grit (the image of the r10 tool above is 40/50).
Medium - 70/80
Fine - 140/180
As this isn't a finished edge that's seen we've decided to go with coarse which will give the fastest and long lasting tool of all three. We can always alter that with later production of we need to but we think it will provide the best tool for purpose.
The cost will be £68.15 + vat (£81.78) + P&P - I will ship international at cost if required.
We're likely to see these within the next 4 weeks.
If you have an interest in one of these first 10 then let me know and we'll earmark one for you.
I'll post images on this thread when they arrive.
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One Day
I'd be VERY interested. For back-mitres there is simply no need for a quality finish - just stock removal as quickly as possible without damaging the cut edge.
This would save a lot of time compared to the wet mitreing I've been doing on my Dewalt.
This would save a lot of time compared to the wet mitreing I've been doing on my Dewalt.
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Concrete guy
Reserved list (including anyone who expressed an interest earlier in the thread).
It looks like I need to up the order already.
If you want to add your name simply copy this post - add it on and post.
Same if you want off the list.
1. Impish
2. Sir Ramic
3. graythetiler
4. andy tiler
5. Tony73
6. poynton phil
7. AliGage
8. Alan.P
9. Wingn
10. cam_Low
11. rainsco
It looks like I need to up the order already.
If you want to add your name simply copy this post - add it on and post.
Same if you want off the list.
1. Impish
2. Sir Ramic
3. graythetiler
4. andy tiler
5. Tony73
6. poynton phil
7. AliGage
8. Alan.P
9. Wingn
10. cam_Low
11. rainsco
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Gazzer
Its something I would like in my toolkit.
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rainsco
i think like impish. maximum grit is 60.
is your coating for wet and dry?
here is a something like that tool from monolit:
http://www.montolit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/diamond-bevel-profiles.jpg
is your coating for wet and dry?
here is a something like that tool from monolit:
http://www.montolit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/diamond-bevel-profiles.jpg
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