Thick Bed - Thin Bed , Thinset etc

[mags]

What is a thick bed ? when do you use it?
I presume std adhesive is classed as thinset keraquick etc ?

I have heard a few times the term Thick Set but ive no idea what it means.

OH and LIZ no need to reply cos youll only ask another tiler and then give me his answer pretending it was yours lol 😉

 

[Deleted member 9966]

I don't know the answer to this, and the tiler I would ring would be you, so we're both screwed :lol:

 

[jay]

strange choice of words grr mags you almost answered it yourself thin bed norm up to 8-10mm (depending on maker )thick bed 10mm and up (slate ect) all depends on what the bag reads :8:
basic thinset will build up to 10mm ok but go over 10mm and it will slump away leaving voides

 

[mags]

strange choice of words grr mags you almost answered it yourself thin bed norm up to 8-10mm (depending on maker )thick bed 10mm and up (slate ect) all depends on what the bag reads :8:
basic thinset will build up to 10mm ok but go over 10mm and it will slump away leaving voides

Yeah I guessed as much but I was told to use a std 10 x 20 trowel for slate same as ceramic floors, so this is what has confused me a tad.

When did i say Grr

 

[Deleted member 9966]

have you tried looking in Oli's Tile Bible ?

 

[trevortine]

This is supposed to be an access area for proffesional tilers and questions like this are being asked???????????????????:mad2:

 

[Deleted member 9966]

This is supposed to be an access area for proffesional tilers and questions like this are being asked???????????????????:mad2:

a question was being asked, to seek clarification for knowledge that an individual already had. where's the harm in that?

 

[trevortine]

He specifically said he has no idea what it means?

 

[Deleted member 9966]

He specifically said he has no idea what it means?

fair enough.

but at least he asked the question rather than assumed he knew the answer

 

[mags]

This is supposed to be an access area for proffesional tilers and questions like this are being asked???????????????????:mad2:

Who rattled your cage

 

[trevortine]

No offence m8! I just feel it happens a lot these days. Some of the questions asked on here are very basic when this is considered to be the proffesionals hangout.

 

[mags]

No offence m8! I just feel it happens a lot these days. Some of the questions asked on here are very basic when this is considered to be the proffesionals hangout.

Maybe but no need to flame someone who asks it , the only stupid question is the one not asked. And if noone tells u then u dont know .

 

[Gazzer]

Well said Mags

 

[DHTiling]

This is supposed to be an access area for proffesional tilers and questions like this are being asked???????????????????:mad2:

Some of the questions asked on here are very basic when this is considered to be the proffesionals hangout.

The tilers arms is open to all who request access via Dan or Me....so your remark is uncalled for..??

Now the Trusted advisor / Elite members forum is for the pro's...

 

[Rob Z]

Mags, here are some explanations of terms as we use them over in our part of the world. Maybe this will help?

We use thinset or dryset almost interchangeably. Thinset came to be used because it notes the "new" way of setting tile, ie: with a thin layer of setting material over a substrate that was previously prepared. Dryset is taken as synomous because the tile is set dry over the previously prepared and/or cured setting bed.

In the old days, as you might already know, tiles were wetset in thick beds of mortar, with the floating and setting going all in one shot, and because the tiles were set in wet mortar (and the tiles were frequently soaked in water overnight) this was referred to as the wetset, mudset or thickset method.

We frequently use medium bed mortars to set large tiles, and this gets its name because the sand in the material and the thickness of the setting bed is midway between the two extremes listed above. The medium bed mortar I use most often is Laticrete 220, and it can be built up to about 3/4" without problems with shrinkage or settling.

To further add to the confusion, we use the thinset method to refer to any setting method that is applied in a thin layer-so this included mastic and epoxy.

But whenever we say thinset , we also mean (and everyone knows what we mean) a portland cement based setting material that is mixed either with water or a liquid latex additive (ie: modiied thinsets).

Some folks use the term dryset mortars to mean thinsets that have no additives.

Now, there is a quick rundown on how we use these terms.

If you really want to get down with the lingo, any of the above items that is sticky and can be used to stick something to something else.... that stuff is called pooky. 😀

Any material that is mixed and used to finish a surface, or to set block or brick, is called mud. This includes any plaster or drywall compound that is used for plaster work or drywall (plasterboard), and also any mortar used for what you would call a screed or a render. For the screed, we call that mud either dry pack, floor mud or deck mud. For the render on the walls, we call it fat mud or wall mud.

 

[poynton phil]

I agree with mags, i'v been tiling for 3yrs now do good work (so i'm told) but dont know the meaning of all the termination, or the proper way to do everything, that is one of the reasons for this forum is here is to give help and advise people who need it. Whether they hang out in the arms or elsewhere

 

[Rob Z]

Mags,

I was cleaning out some folders of pics on my computer and I remembered your question about what mud set is and why it is used. THis is from a job that I recently posted here on the forum. This old house had funky floor framing, and the high side of the subfloor was about 1" higher than the lowside (in only 4 feet). We mudded the floor and you can see the cross section of the mud bed in the doorway. This could have been done with SLC but it would have used up a fortune in material, and I'd rather charge for labor for a mud bed than spending money on expensive SLC.

I hope this helps to clarify what some of these terms mean.