which montolit and advice please

[cam_low]

As everyone seems to be raving about the brevetti's i have had a look into them on ebay and KS. I have also found someone on ebay.it who sells them however I dont know whether they send them to the UK and if I would end up paying any crazy taxes as per usual for this country.

Can you tell me also why they make life "so much easier".


Thanks peeps.

 

[grumpygrouter]

Whether they make life easier is a matter of opinion Boosha. I Bought my monty after using both Montolit and Rubi during my training. There are advantages to both of these brands. I chose Montolit because for me at the time, it was a more "complete" cutter. I couldn't afford to buy 2 or 3 different cutters so I bought the one that I thought "did the most" for the money.

As yet I have not regretted my decision.

Monolit has 1 action for scoring and cutting i.e. push to score and then push down on the handle at the end of the score to snap. There is also a "moving" breaker built in that will cut mosaics or allow a break part of the way down the tile, for instance for cutting out a slot after wet cutting the 2 side cuts.

Rubi's main benefit (for some) is the fact that the scoring wheel is visible. it is not so visible on the monty but once you learn techniques to get around this you don't need to see it anyway.

One big benefit of the monty is power. The breaker system is adjusted to suit the tile thickness so you don't "over press" and crush the tile. Once adjusted correctly for your tile you can even hit the handle with a mallet to break incredibly strong tiles.

my advice is, if possible, try out both types of cutter to see which best suits you.

 

[DHTiling]

Rubi have also brought out the Ti range of cutters which work like the montolit and sigma ranges.....they come in two cutting sizes in both designs...66cm and 75cm anf you can get both these new cutters from buybrandtools.......... http://www.buybrandtools.com/acatalog/Rubi-TI-Tile-Cutters.html

Rubi TI-66-S Tile Cutter

Ref: RT-12905

• Rubi TI-S professional tile cutter with single guide rail
• Maximum cutting length: 66cm (26")
• Cutting thickness: 5-20mm (3/16-13/16")
• Separator power: 1,000kg (2.204lb)
• Cuts "forwards" with "push" action
• Multi-point angular measurement system swivels 45° forwards or backwards
• Aluminium handle with plastic base - less friction, more life
• Reinforced steel on the last 10cm of the cutting line
• Exclusive scoring wheels for the TI range. The scoring wheel fixing point is not a weak point. No oil required
• No carry case available - no easily breakable parts
• Includes 10mm scoring wheel & 5 year warranty

Rubi TI-66-T Tile Cutter

Ref: RT-12907

• Rubi TI-T professional tile cutter with single guide rail
• Maximum cutting length: 66cm (26")
• Cutting thickness: 5-20mm (3/16-13/16")
• Separator power: 1,000kg (2.204lb)
• Cuts "backwards" with "pull" action
• Multi-point angular measurement system swivels 45° forwards or backwards
• Aluminium handle with plastic base - less friction, more life
• Reinforced steel on the last 10cm of the cutting line
• Exclusive scoring wheels for the TI range. The scoring wheel fixing point is not a weak point. No oil required
• No carry case available - no easily breakable parts
• Includes 10mm scoring wheel & 5 year warranty

 

[frankenfurter]

I've always like the masterpiuma pull action, all the excellent bits grumpy mentioned but with the pull action there's better visibility of the scoring wheel.

The master montolit is also a really nice cutter although a slower way of cutting tiles. But it'll cut almost anything with ease.

Frank

 

[sWe]

Here's input from someone (not me) who's tried the TI66, and who can compare it to the Masterpiuma:

"oh, for gods sake dont get the t1-66s. as i said it s the best rubi to date but, the build quality isnt as good as the monti and the cut and the ease of cut just doesnt compare."


'Nuff said :yes:

Mind you, I don't think Rubi make bad cutters (in fact, I kind of liked the TS-30 for small tiles), but from the ones I've tried, I'd say there are better ways to spend your tool budget.

 

[tiler burden]

totally agree with that person that swe quoted lol

if you want a cutter that performs like a montolit or sigma for that matter, then buy a montolit or a sigma.

if you like rubi then buy what they do best. the ts and tx range

 

[tiler burden]

a few people are going on about not being able to see the line when you scribe on a montolit push cutter but, you simply place the mark on your tile right infront of the zero number in the middle of the measuring gauge and thats bang in line with the scoring wheel, so you dont have to learn over to see were you scribe.

if you are doing a rake cut, then do as above for you top mark and then place the bottom pencil mark right on the groove on the tile cutter bed and again you will be fine for you cuts without developing a crick in your neck lol

hope this helps.
maybe grumps and swe have more tips?

 

[grumpygrouter]

The way I do it for rake cuts - I mark the tile where the cut needs to be, I then line up the front mark on the tile with the centre datum mark at the front of the cutter. I then move my head fractionally to one side until the cutter bar top edge is in line with the now just visible front mark at the datum. Keeping my head in the same place, line up the rear tile mark with the cutter bar top edge, when you are sure it is in line, make your score and cut.

Sounds long winded when you write it but it isn't, it is actually very quick and very accurate.

 

[andy-p]

Here's input from someone (not me) who's tried the TI66, and who can compare it to the Masterpiuma:

"oh, for gods sake dont get the t1-66s. as i said it s the best rubi to date but, the build quality isnt as good as the monti and the cut and the ease of cut just doesnt compare."


'Nuff said :yes:

Mind you, I don't think Rubi make bad cutters (in fact, I kind of liked the TS-30 for small tiles), but from the ones I've tried, I'd say there are better ways to spend your tool budget.

hi

just bought the new rubi ti-66s based on the montolit masterpiuma and its superb!!! a few people wanted to know what its like because its so new , well its going to definately faze out the tr600 and i cant see the point in buying the ts60 either after using this because its 3kgs lighter than a ts60, its only 89cm and 33cm at its widest point. its has 1000kg breaking pressure (same as tx700n) and it cuts upto 66cm tiles (more than a masterpiuma) and the big advantage is you are not restricted to straight cuts because of the moveable breaker.

the build quality is excellent and you get a 5 yr g/tee.
its got solid flexible support legs that flick out and the measuring gauge sits on the side when not in use and clamps in place. the measuring gauge is in one piece but can be adjusted in 2 places for convenience and can be fitted in literally 5 seconds. when you scribe, you lift up the handle and the breaker flicks down like the monti but it comes with protective strips on so not to mark the tiles when you break.

it doesnt come with a case but to be honest you dont need one, theres nothing to lose on it and you can just pick it up by the single overhead rail. it has a quick release scribing wheel which is solidly locked in place and cannot fall out.

a friend of mine whos a tiler has been using it today cutting all sorts of off cuts of hard porc and he has bought one straight away because he was so impressed.
the only problem is, if you are really used to using the ts range then you might not like the thought of getting used to the slightly different pressure technique that you use to break tiles but tbh, you get the hang of it within 5 mins and its the business. this cutter has been being demo'd all week in scotland and the orders have been flying in. i agree with swe that the push scribe is less waring on the wrist than the pull scribe, so i would go for the ti66s. the sigma version the (ti-t) pull scribe is out soon if thats what you'd prefare.

so swe, grumps and mark devon are right..montolit are excellent and rubi must think so to go to the effort of taking 2ys to design/improve/manufacture this new cutter..oh and £199-20p next day delivered free!!!!!


Make your mind up ffs !! :huh2: :lol:

 

[DHTiling]

They are only £187.44 from buybrandtools........( ti-66s)........

 

[cam_low]

so which one do i go for then ! decisions decisons.

i think i prefer the rubi but if I can get one a montolit same spec for cheaper i think the price will win

 

[tiler burden]

this is aimed at andy-p..

the best way to describe my change of opinion is like this....

liverpool had a number 7 called kevin keegan. i thought he was irreplacable and the best!!!! and then we signed kenny dalglish!!! are you getting my drift lol

seriously, the ti-66s is a good cutter and i still would rather have one than a ts60 plus. it has a some good selling points. the price, the weight, the moveable breaker, the breaking power, the measuring gauge but now that i have had the benefit of using the montolit my opinion has changed..

rubi will sell lots, montolit and sigma wont lose any customers and the world will keep turning......anyway, when you put your hand in your pocket and buy both then you are entitled to change your mind :hang:

For gods sake, dont anybody tell me that sigma are the best. ive spent enough

 

[Gazzer]

Sigma are the best

 

[devonmark]

The way I do it for rake cuts - I mark the tile where the cut needs to be, I then line up the front mark on the tile with the centre datum mark at the front of the cutter. I then move my head fractionally to one side until the cutter bar top edge is in line with the now just visible front mark at the datum. Keeping my head in the same place, line up the rear tile mark with the cutter bar top edge, when you are sure it is in line, make your score and cut.

Sounds long winded when you write it but it isn't, it is actually very quick and very accurate.

Same for me...it's very easy..Mark.

 

[grumpygrouter]

Same for me...it's very easy..Mark.

 

[andy-p]

this is aimed at andy-p..

the best way to describe my change of opinion is like this....

liverpool had a number 7 called kevin keegan. i thought he was irreplacable and the best!!!! and then we signed kenny dalglish!!! are you getting my drift lol

seriously, the ti-66s is a good cutter and i still would rather have one than a ts60 plus. it has a some good selling points. the price, the weight, the moveable breaker, the breaking power, the measuring gauge but now that i have had the benefit of using the montolit my opinion has changed..

rubi will sell lots, montolit and sigma wont lose any customers and the world will keep turning......anyway, when you put your hand in your pocket and buy both then you are entitled to change your mind :hang:

For gods sake, dont anybody tell me that sigma are the best. ive spent enough

good answer tb!!! the reason i had wee dig was i was looking to replace my ts70+ as its hopeless, now monty as far as i know dont do a 75 cutter so i was gonna get the sigma , i already have a smaller sigma so i know how good they are, dont like the rubi tx range too heavy and fiddly to use, anyway saw the rubi ts 75 push and thought that looked the job, so done a bit of research and came across your review and that kinda clinched it, so i ordered one up, so when i read you had jumped ship i thinks wtf!!! :furious3: im still waiting on it being delivered but i have no regrets mate i know its gonna do the job, just thought id have a wee pop at you tho good buddy ... :lol:

 

[tiler burden]

hi andy

dont know how to break this to you mate put montolit do a masterpiuma 75 cutter and a 93!

but your rubi will be fine.if you dont like it afterall, stick it on ebay. you will get 160 back all day long.

trust me, if plasplugs bring out a cutter next week and i like it more than the monti, then expect another jump!! i look at it this way, i am oiling the coggs of the economic wheel. while everyone is clinging onto there money, i'm blowing mine

anyway, its only my opinion. when dave, sWe, gaz, dan, wetdec, sir ram, mz30, garythetiler, pete, or any other pro in the know voice there opinion, thats when its time to sit up and take notice..

ps, i'll take it off your hands if you dont like it, cant say fairer than that ;0)

ed

 

[andy-p]

ah well sh*t appens.. but im gonna replace my ts30 with the mini monty or wait maybe the siggy .. certainly i will never get another cutter with 2 rails or without a moveable breaker..

 

[andy-p]

i managed to cancel the rubi ti-75 push before it was delivered, so what cutter do i go for , sigma or monty ?? cmon guys help me out here !! i should add i already own a smaller siggy but ive never seen a monty in the flesh...

 

[grumpygrouter]

I'm a monty man myself. Never used a Sigma though! if I needed a new cutter, it would be hard for me to move to anything else cos mine does all I ask it to!

 

[grumpygrouter]

Sigma are the best

I have heard people say this before Neale, why exactly?

 

[tiler burden]

i cant really see that much of a difference between sigma and montolit.

i honestly believe push scribing cutters on larger machines are easier on the wrist long term. although sigma do push scribing. but i think the 2nd flick down breaker on the montolit for mosaics gives it the edge imo.. really nothing in it in between these 2 brands..ferrari and lamborghini, rubi seat lol only kidding

wheres sWe when you need him!! hes used all the sigma range and he decided to go for monti, so hes the the real 'pro in the know' were this thread is concerned....oh sWe, come out to playyyy

 

[sWe]

Well... Sigmas are generally sightly less fiddly than Monties, but the quality of the cut of the MasterPiuma is a bit better than anything I've tried from Sigma, especially on REALLY hard tiles. I haven't tried the Sigma klick-klock breaker though, so I don't have an opinion there.

Sigma has made a few design choices which are better than Montolit's, and the opposite is equally true. Both brands have quirks you need to work around a bit, but that's true for all brands.

It's mostly a question of finding the solution you like the best, and I've chosen Montolit, because of the quality of the cut, and the general feel. Monty cutters are also slightly lighter than Sigma cutters of equal size, and paradoxically, they sit better, in my experience.

A side note: I had a chat with a guy from Montolit, and suggested a few improvements, and he said most of my suggestions had already been thought of, and were being implemented in their next generation cutters, which they are going to launch in like a year or so.

 

[grumpygrouter]

Well... Sigmas are generally sightly less fiddly than Monties, but the quality of the cut of the MasterPiuma is a bit better than anything I've tried from Sigma, especially on REALLY hard tiles. I haven't tried the Sigma klick-klock breaker though, so I don't have an opinion there.

Sigma has made a few design choices which are better than Montolit's, and the opposite is equally true. Both brands have quirks you need to work around a bit, but that's true for all brands.

It's mostly a question of finding the solution you like the best, and I've chosen Montolit, because of the quality of the cut, and the general feel. Monty cutters are also slightly lighter than Sigma cutters of equal size, and paradoxically, they sit better, in my experience.

A side note: I had a chat with a guy from Montolit, and suggested a few improvements, and he said most of my suggestions had already been thought of, and were being implemented in their next generation cutters, which they are going to launch in like a year or so.

Ooooh! come on sWe, spill the beans........

 

[sWe]

Well, for starters, I suggested that they make the push cutters with the scale on the left side, seeing how most people are right handed, and therefore spend most of the time on the left side of the cutter. If you're almost blind, like me, it would be preferable to having to lean over and squint to be able to see the ****ing scale :rofl: Especially true on their larger cutters... I also said "I realize you did that so you wouldn't have to develop separate bases for the push and pull cutters, but synergies aren't always good".

What was it more... Hmmm... I used their web site mailing form, so I don't have a copy of the mail I sent, just the reply....... Thinking... The guy who replied was Stefano Montoli btw.

Oh yeah, they were going to implement quick change scoring wheels so you don't need to rumage through your tool box for a centre punch and a hammer to change scoring wheel. I mean, what's the point of having neat little storage compartments for wheels on the cutter if ya need tools to change them?

And he said my suggestion about having the scale uniform, ie having both the 90 deg and the 45 deg scale on a tape with white background and black/blue/whatever numbers, was going to be considered. I mean, ffs, I can't always lug around a 500 watt lamp, just to be able to be able to bloody see the f-ing chrome indentations on the main scale bar, or the red ones on the small flip bar on the left...

I also suggested ball bearings, because we all like those, don't we?

And oh, I said the sliding gauge could use a little improvement, seeing how you actually have to use a tile to guide the guide into the position you want it, cuz otherwise it'll go off by a mm or two when you tighten it... The edge of the gauge should, imo, actually cover the scale, instead of leaving a two mm gap. No biggy, but a quirk, none the less.

Anyways, he said some of the suggestions were going to be implemented, and and some were going to be considered, because "the good quality of our tools depends on your indications."

The beans have been spilled. Over to you Grumpy.

 

[andy-p]

thanks guys for the input!! im leaning towards a push cutter, cos i think in smaller areas it might sit better, i was using a borrowed sigma 93 and i kept tripping over the huge measuring bar at the bottom, this is what slightly put me off the 75 version, as far as i know the push siggys only come in 43 and 63 sizes.. what weight is the monty 75 and what about build quality compared to the mighty sigmas ??

 

[sWe]

Monty MP75P2 weighs in at 9,2kg. Sigma 4AK (71cm) 12.3kg, Sigma 4a (75cm) 12.3kg, Sigma 3DK (90cm) 12.8kg, etc etc. Sigma does have a compact range however; 2B3 (66cm) weighs in at 5.6kg, but it's really narrow, and I don't think it has foldable supports, which would be kind of necessary for anything but 50/50 cuts on that size tiles...

Build quality on both Sigma and Montolit is good, though, tell you the truth, I had to replace a brand new Sigma once because it's rail was uneaven.

 

[andy-p]

looks like a monty then , kwiksplit the best place to buy??

 

[andy-p]

well ive sold ma soul to the devil and came over to the dark side.. ordered the monty 75 from kwiksplit today, coming on monday, does it come with a free light sabre ?? :lol:

 

[grumpygrouter]

well ive sold ma soul to the devil and came over to the dark side.. ordered the monty 75 from kwiksplit today, coming on monday, does it come with a free light sabre ?? :lol:

Don't know but they cut tiles like they do.:lol:

 

[tiler burden]

very good grumpy, very good!! keep that up and you can be one of my forum friends ;0)