Can you tile a shower & grout the same day?

[mikedavey]

Hi,

Just got a job to tile a corner shower. My intentions were to tile the shower & grout it the next day. But my client thought my price was a bit too high, so we agreed a lower price.
The reason it was slightly higher was because of going back the next day to grout, but now i want to do it all in one day so i don't have to go back (Plus it's 60 miles round trip)

I'm using ready mixed adhesive & grout for showers.........so can i grout the same day? how long does it need idealy before grouting?

Cheers

Mike

 

[Fekin]

Doing a job for a paying customer and using ready mixed adhesive and grout combined ?

:dead:

You should always grout the next day, especially if it's a shower, and the ready mixed mixed adhesive and grout isn't very good, for a paying customer.

I guess the customer supplied it ?

For what it's worth, in my view, you might as well do it all in one day, and not offer any guarantees

 

[DHTiling]

hi mike..if you want to grout the same day then tile with rapid setting cement adhesive....If you tile with a dispersion adhesive it needs air at the joints to dry and this takes time , thats why they recommend 24hrs etc....good luck mate...

 

[mikedavey]

No i bought it..........This is my first job so i guess i need to learn a lot still..

Whats wrong with what i bought?

 

[tiler tom]

You don't haggle over price but justify it by telling the customer that to do a guarenteed job you will tile one day and grout the next. By lowering your price you are telling the customer that you are short of work or were trying it on in the first place. I have grouted the same day but you must leave 24 hours before using. Ideally grout should be left a week to fully dry out

 

[Perry]

i would use ready mixed mixed adhesive and grout as adhesive & grout the next time your passing with (proper grout) as they want a cheap job as long as its before xmas or take Daves advice but remember be rapid with rapid Pete

 

[mikedavey]

I've checked & also got 'Rapid setting fully water resistance adhesive suitable for int & ext inc swimming pools'

Well thats what is on the bag. Plus i have bags of grout which is water resistant.

Will these be ok? can i do it in one day if i use these?

 

[Fekin]

What make are they, and what are they called ?

 

[mikedavey]

They are both WICKES own brand:huh2: i think i know what you're gonna say.

 

[DHTiling]

as long as its suitable for the job in hand and the tile.. then go for it mate...dont forget to prime walls first...

 

[mikedavey]

They are described as RAPID SETTING TILE ADHESIVE & POWERED WALL TILE GROUT - WATER RESISTANT

 

[Fekin]

Just a basic pointer, a product that does 2 completely different things will do them both to an average degree, and a product that only does one thing will\should do it much better.

If you are working for yourself then seriously, buy trade materials and not jo public B&Q\Wicks brand items, and your jobs and customers will be better off for it in the long run, and just price accordingly, as saving just a few quid can seriously damage your reputation if your materials don't stand upto the jobs you are doing, it might say they will do the job, but the rest of us don't use them for a reason.

Sorry if I sounded like I was getting at you, that was not the case mate.

Good luck 🙂

 

[GazTech]

As dave said earlier,it is essential to prime when using powder adhesives....Gaz

 

[scottish tiler]

aye m8 you can tile it then grout it npz just check that the tiles have set b4 you start grouting, you dont need to buy powderd adhesive either as a tub of sticky wil do fine

 

[grumpygrouter]

It is my understanding the Wickes materials are made for them by a very reputable company anyway, though I can't remember who.

Only grout the same day if you use powder addy, not ready mixed, and also you are assuming you will get it finished in one day, being your first job, it may take longer than you think!

Good luck, let us know how you get on.

Grumpy

 

[scottish tiler]

you can grout it the same day even if its tubs of adhesive

 

[grumpygrouter]

you can grout it the same day even if its tubs of adhesive

Do you use some sort of non-dispersion tub adhesive then?

Grumpy

 

[scottish tiler]

Do you use some sort of non-dispersion tub adhesive then?

Grumpy

just bal green star,white star, blue star or nicobonds tubs

and mapie gear

 

[len]

i n t e r e s t i n g:huh2:

 

[mikedavey]

Thanks for all your feedback...........

Well i guess i've cocked up my first job because i didn't prime the walls before tiling. They are freshly plastered walls. I used rapid adhesive on all 10 splashbacks.

I did use prime on the wall ready to tile the corner shower for monday, although it wasn't WP1, i was recommended this stuff from FOCUS, it was for plaster but seemed to be primer you would use prior to painting only.!!!???

So tell me how long will my splashbacks stay on for? Not long i fear.

Guess i won't get any more work from this guy again................Pity as he gets a lot of work.

:mad2:

 

[grumpygrouter]

i n t e r e s t i n g:huh2:

My thoughts exactly Len. Probably invalidating any BAL warranty by not waiting at least 24hrs for addy to dry sufficiently.

Grumpy

 

[scottish tiler]

just becouse it says you have to wait 24hrs dosnt mean you need to, say you had 2 m2 to tile in the middle of a plain wall, are you going to tile it and *** back the next day to grout it?, and for the past 9 years that i started my trade every tiler i have worked with would agree with me on this subject

 

[grumpygrouter]

You may be right with a couple of square metres of kitchen splashback, though I would suggest that the majority of contributors on here would generally disagree with you on this topic. I certainly wouldn't grout same day if it was a full wall using tub adhesive. Might "just" consider it if it was very small format tiles as there would be lots of area for evaporation during the day, and it was a long way to go back "just" for grouting. Though there is the subsequent Silicon application to consider too.

Grumpy
Grumpy

 

[DHTiling]

The best way if you know you have to be finished in the same day is to use a fast setting adhesive..bs 5385 states dispersion adhesive's require a minimum of 24hrs sometimes longer depending on the substrate and tile format.....alot of fixers will tile and grout the same day as we know but the correct way is to do as mentioned...hope this helps.......

 

[penno]

Sometimes you just can't come back and grout the next day. If it is for instance a small splashback and the walls are done for midday then i just pop off for a butty and return a few hours later to grout.

Something like a showered area though i always give it until the next day.

 

[DHTiling]

..If you know you have to be finished the same day then why use a dispersion adhesive....surely it is correct practice to use a fast setting cement based product....no cutting corners and a job done in a day....
So following bsi guide lines is the way to go.....:yes:

 

[penno]

..If you know you have to be finished the same day then why use a dispersion adhesive....surely it is correct practice to use a fast setting cement based product....no cutting corners and a job done in a day....
So following bsi guide lines is the way to go.....:yes:

Well i had half a tub of blue star in the van and it was a very small splashback just behind the cooker, i know i shouldn't 🙁

 

[Dan]

I think we all know that if we did anything that could be done in a day and there's no chance of leaving it for the next day to grout as you're not going to be anywhere near that job again for weeks then you'd do your best and grout it. If you knew that was the case though you should have perhaps used cement based adhesive.

But if you're fixing any tile more than 200 x 200mm's and anything more than half a decent wall you're running a risk of grouting up too early if you do it the same day, and it should really be left.

The adhesive guys can tell if a job fails due to a dispersion adhesive being grouted to early and providing you're ok with guaranteeing the job yourself should it fail, or you're willing to fight with the customer for blame, then go for it. But I'd always try to opt for cement based adhesive if you're not coming back tomorrow to grout.

 

[Fekin]

Good advise