115mm grinding disc for porcelain and other materials

[Old Mod]

So for quite some time now my weapon of choice for re-fabricating tile edges and finishing mitred has been one of these.



A 120# metal disc, great bits of kit.
Recently the supplier stopped selling them and finding a replacement was impossible.
I pestered a few companies to get them in, but to no avail.
After making an 'off the cuff' remark one day,
Alan from @ATSDiamondTools said he had an idea.
That idea was one of these.
http://www.atsdiamondtools.co.uk/node/132


So now they are available again and I for one, am very happy, trying to find an alternative was driving me round the twist!

Thanks Alan. 🙂

 

[J Sid]

well done marc, 🙂

as marc, i have been using them and can say the I'd be a bit lost if Alan hadn't started stocking them. I'll be stocking up, there a great bit of kit to have in the tool box🙂

 

[Flintstone]

They look good, can you tell me a bit more about there uses? I thought you used sanding disks on mitres?

 

[Old Mod]

They look good, can you tell me a bit more about there uses? I thought you used sanding disks on mitres?

It is a sanding disc mate. 🙂 Just a metal one.

You can use it to re finish edges Andy, or grind down a mill or two if a piece is cut too large or you need to scribe a tile in.
Can't really say much more, but you know when you need to nip off just that little nib off a corner, now you don't need to, you can polish it off!

 

[Flintstone]

I'm with ya! Full speed or slower speed ?

 

[Ttt1601]

That's very weird, I ordered one of these on Sunday night, got home about half hour ago and it had arrived, I was coming on here to message you @3_fall to say it looks the same as the one you have. And saw This thread first!

 

[Blunt Tool]

Thought you got a super duper one from guesseppi?

 

[Old Mod]

I'm with ya! Full speed or slower speed ?

Personally, full tilt! 🙂
But everyone's different.

 

[Old Mod]

Thought you got a super duper one from guesseppi?

Trust me Ian, I did not get anything from Giuseppe haha


Do you see it says 'Pro Tiler Tools' haha nutta

I've a vast array of grinding and polishing gear Ian,
Sait carborundum pads, Velcro and Stick on, diamond pads, wet, dry and hand. Metal grinding and polishing discs and flap wheels. And all made by different manufacturers. 😀
They all have their places on the job as I know you know. 🙂

 

[Blunt Tool]

He works for @Pro Tiler Tools hahaha

 

[Old Mod]

View attachment 91317 He works for @Pro Tiler Tools hahaha

And my first impressions of the STL are less than favourable I can tell you. 🙁

 

[Blunt Tool]

Goopooellie made it look as tho I'm not a real tiler unless I buy one!!

 

[Old Mod]

Goopooellie made it look as tho I'm not a real tiler unless I buy one!!

Did you go to a trade day where attended or something Ian?

 

[Blunt Tool]

Did you go to a trade day where attended or something Ian?

It's @antonio best mate!!

 

[Concrete guy]

Thanks very much for posting this thread Marc.

Questions. Did the disc bed in after a few runs, you metioned it was chipping a little straight out of the box? Or it was on the tile you were running it on at the time.

Whilst looking for an Electroplating factory that would make this for us we came across dozens of places that did vacuum brazed tools like the STL pictured above. We already have a product of this type which we sell as a Cut'n'Grind wheel but it is very aggressive indeed so we steered clear of them when looking for the grinding cup.

What uses is the STL marketed for? It's something I could see being very useful on natural stone but it's probably a bit too much for porcelain or ceramic.

 

[Old Mod]

Hey Alan,
Indeed it did chip this particular tile, straight out the box, however it did improve some over the day.
I've not tried it on another material as yet, but this is Florim Porcelain and exceptionally hard and has an extremely hard glaze. I've only had a 50% success rate when cutting it over its length. (1800)

To my knowledge he STL is marketed as a
grinding/ flush cut blade.
I've not made much comment about it because it's a completely different type of blade than what I'm used to.
When I said first impressions were less than favourable, I suppose it should have been worded better.
Sometimes it feels like too much effort to say what you really mean and just say it in the least amount of words, yeah I know, I don't do 'few words' haha
It didn't do the job I really hoped it would, and I may have been expecting too much from it.
But I will persevere for a few days and see if it improves, although for the cost, I truly expect a product like this to perform at its maximum immediately, when you're paying such a large amount of money.
Maybe I'm just being unreasonable.

 

[Old Mod]

If I had an improvement in mind for your blade, it would be to wrap the coating fully around the edge, so that it can be used end on in to corners more easily.

 

[Concrete guy]

If I had an improvement in mind for your blade, it would be to wrap the coating fully around the edge, so that it can be used end on in to corners more easily.

The idea of the plain edge is to act as a stopper when doing internal grinding.

I guess we'd need to make two, one with and one without the edge coated, someone would always want one or the other.

 

[Concrete guy]

Hey Alan,
Indeed it did chip this particular tile, straight out the box, however it did improve some over the day.
I've not tried it on another material as yet, but this is Florim Porcelain and exceptionally hard and has an extremely hard glaze. I've only had a 50% success rate when cutting it over its length. (1800)

To my knowledge he STL is marketed as a
grinding/ flush cut blade.
I've not made much comment about it because it's a completely different type of blade than what I'm used to.
When I said first impressions were less than favourable, I suppose it should have been worded better.
Sometimes it feels like too much effort to say what you really mean and just say it in the least amount of words, yeah I know, I don't do 'few words' haha
It didn't do the job I really hoped it would, and I may have been expecting too much from it.
But I will persevere for a few days and see if it improves, although for the cost, I truly expect a product like this to perform at its maximum immediately, when you're paying such a large amount of money.
Maybe I'm just being unreasonable.

These I see as a more aggressive product, I've had a look at their video and they describe the grit as Medium so I figure it's probably around #70/#80 grit.

They will cut quicker and last longer but might not give quite as fine a finish.

I just noticed they sell fine or medium, which one did you buy Marc? The fine is probably more use for what you guys do.

 

[Old Mod]

These I see as a more aggressive product, I've had a look at their video and they describe the grit as Medium so I figure it's probably around #70/#80 grit.

They will cut quicker and last longer but might not give quite as fine a finish.

I just noticed they sell fine or medium, which one did you buy Marc? The fine is probably more use for what you guys do.

Yeah the fine grit Alan.
They do indeed cut very well, it's the edge they leave behind I'm still working on.

 

[Flintstone]

Wet sponge ?

 

[Old Mod]

Wet sponge ?

No not at all

 

[Flintstone]

Would that not help with the finish?

 

[Italy]

It's @antonio best mate!!

Maybe, better call him joseph.
At least I can understand who you are talking about. 🙂
Honestly, with that blade, I would not know what to do.
Maybe in the future, could serve me, but now
I do not need it.

 

[efso]

Hey guys my first post here,and i would like to comment regarding the ats grinding disc.I mostly work on large format tiles 150X300X6mm(kitchen worktops-tables-etc)and my main issue is the mitre.I make the mitre mostly by hand but i am not very happy with the results.I have tried many different gringing wheels and i had partial success only with the sorma fastline 60 grit.a couple of weeks ago i accidentaly bumped to this thread and i decided to give a go the ats disc.To be honest i wasnt expecting much considering the price,and when i received the disc i was disappointed by the looks of it.It looks like a cheap chinese product.Anyway,i had an brain fart and by using an adaptor i manage to install it to the raimondi free flex 45 i have.Well ,i think i am done!!that thing eats maxfine polished slabs for breakfast.if you make a mitre first with a cutting disc and leave a 2mm lip,then use the ats disc to finish it you have the perfect mitre.And the best part is that the disc looks bulletprof.I have already done around 50 linear meters and the disc looks new.Now if ats makes one 50-60 grit i think that the cutting wheel wont be necessary.One pass with this bad boy and you are ready!!!!

 

[Time's Ran Out]

I'am sure Ats will be pleased your happy!
What do you use to fill the mitred joint.


And welcome!

 

[efso]

Thats a good question,after alot of testing i ended up using Akemi colourbond.It matches perfectly with FMG and Fiandre slabs.Only downside is the cost of the gun(around 100-150 eur).

 

[Concrete guy]

In theory we can make these any grit you like, however if you make them more coarse they don't necessarily perform the same way.

One of these discs at #50/60 would probably be too aggressive and cause breakout.

Bottom line is though we have a minimum production run of 200 pieces per grit on this product to make it viable. If there's enough interest we can make it.

 

[efso]

In theory we can make these any grit you like, however if you make them more coarse they don't necessarily perform the same way.

One of these discs at #50/60 would probably be too aggressive and cause breakout.

Bottom line is though we have a minimum production run of 200 pieces per grit on this product to make it viable. If there's enough interest we can make it.

Thanks for the reply,i can understand the minimum quantity,but there is no way i can order 200 pcs 🙂.I can tell you this,if this disc can last for 100 lm there is no need for a more coarser one..

 

[Concrete guy]

It would do well to last 100 lm, if it did a third of that it would only be costing about 40p l/m .

 

[LM]

Good post @efso and welcome to the forum.