Tiling Cscs Cards - Blue Card Nvq Level 2 For Domestic Jobs Soon

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

Just had a letter asking me to re-new my CSCS card !! it appears i might have to sit more tests ! since i have had this card i have had to show it twice !! and both time the jobs have been a total pain to work on with idiots trying to impede my progress !! i thought i would ring them today and see what test and stuff i needed to do ! and i was told there was a twenty minute waiting time , !!!! so now i'am just thinking is it worth bothering anymore ! and just sticking to jobs that i don't need this hassle - on what do you guys do or make of this scheme to flees-us of yet more of our hard earned money ?

 

[Andy Allen]

Never had one...and as I got no interest in working for anyone who requires one then can't see the point in getting one just for the sake of it. .

 

[Spare Tool]

Done plenty of sitework...never had one never been asked for one.
Have to say though all my sitework has been done for smaller contractors, seems to me its generally the big boys that insist on health and safety rules and regs.
The site managers favourite saying was "Long as ya wear yer helmet when boss is around you'll be reet"

 

[On one]

I redid mine in November after letting it lapse for 5 years. Easy enough to do,if you read and reread the accompanying book.
Like Andy has said above,mainly for the larger contractors so that they can put ticks in boxes.

 

[The D]

Every site I go on now I have to show my card. For me it is a must have, but if you can't be bothered with it I'm sure you will be OK for now.
I have to say the regulation of this industry has to start somewhere.

 

[gamma38]

Load of rubbish I reckon. These governing bodies come and go like the weather. Unless your on sites full time I wouldn't bother. keep your money for yourself.

 

[The D]

Load of rubbish I reckon. These governing bodies come and go like the weather. Unless your on sites full time I wouldn't bother. keep your money for yourself.

what money are you all banging on about my card cost me £17.00 for the test and £25.00 for the card and it lasts for 5 years not a lot of money really.

 

[Andy Allen]

what money are you all banging on about my card cost me £17.00 for the test and £25.00 for the card and it lasts for 5 years not a lot of money really.

But why would you want one if you dont do site work?
Or are you saying in the future we will all require to have one even if you just do private work.

 

[The D]

But why would you want one if you dont do site work?
Or are you saying in the future we will all require to have one even if you just do private work.

if you don't work on site you don't need one. Would I like to see it enforced in the in the domestic market 100% yes

 

[Spare Tool]

A CSCS card is:

• A certification of the cardholder’s identity
• A certification of the cardholder’s qualifications
• A certification of the cardholder’s training

A CSCS card is not:

• A passport to gain entry to site
• A competency card
• A guarantee of a cardholder’s competence
• A Health and Safety card
• A card for off-site employees
• A certification of the cardholder’s fitness to work
• A record of the cardholder’s work experience

Don't really confirm much then...

 

[Gazzer]

I am due to renew mine and I will because for what it costs over the 5 year period is peanuts .
I have been on site where other trades got turned away because they had no card...thats ok if you have smaller builders or private work to fall back on.
Dont ask me if it all mean anything though, all this health and safety is only put into plan when there is a site visit in progress in my eyes.

 

[Stocks Tiles]

Did I read right on a previous post, that you can actually gain access onto building sites as a Tiler using the green CSCS card?

 

[Gazzer]

Did I read right on a previous post, that you can actually gain access onto building sites as a Tiler using the green CSCS card?

It has happened with me if I said he was my apprentice

 

[Andy Allen]

if you don't work on site you don't need one. Would I like to see it enforced in the in the domestic market 100% yes

Imo the cscs card as it stands means nothing.
You don't need to be a qualified tiler to obtain one so whats the point of enforcing it into the domestic market.

 

[Andy Allen]

if you don't work on site you don't need one. Would I like to see it enforced in the in the domestic market 100% yes

Imo the cscs card as it stands means nothing.
You don't need to be a qualified tiler to obtain one so whats the point of enforcing it into the domestic market.

 

[The D]

Imo the cscs card as it stands means nothing.
You don't need to be a qualified tiler to obtain one so whats the point of enforcing it into the domestic market.

You can obtain a card that will last for one year and when it needs to be renewed you will need to have an level 2 NVQ. this is how we get a "qualified" workforce.

 

[The D]

Did I read right on a previous post, that you can actually gain access onto building sites as a Tiler using the green CSCS card?

http://www.citb.co.uk/cards-testing/construction-skills-certificate-scheme-cscs/

 

[Time's Ran Out]

I'am with Deano on this one !
I don't have a card as we dont do site work but for the cost and if it was necessary I'd get one.
If we can get our trade regulated and if NVQ level 2 is a requirement then it's a start. Even in the domestic market it would go some way to raise the standard of tiling.
IMO just because you don't need them shouldn't be a reason for not having to achieve a level of competence .
My son earned his Level 2 a few years ago and they gave me mine for being there and still managing to get up and down off the floor.

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

Booked in for an operatives safety test AGAIN ! for tomorrow, i haven't done any revision for it just going to have a go !, anyone got any advise or pointers? my old test has run -out apparently ......

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Wear a tie!

 

[Stocks Tiles]

I never read up for my test, to be honest it's common sense and if you can't pass it on that then you shouldn't be on site haha

 

[m3fitter]

Putting the record straight: IT WILL APPLY TO EVERYONE IN THE NEAR FUTURE DOMESTIC OR IN THE CONTRACTOR ARENA Please read
It started with The 'big boys' ( Principal contractors ) insisting on SMAS or a collating accreditation company to ensure they keep their ISO awarded accreditation and for insurance purposes ( SAFETY MANAGEMENT ADVISORY SERVICES ) they collate all of your qualifications, HSE certificates, company policies in regard to training matrix for quality and health and safety.
and now it is filtering through to the smaller contractors, and therefore sub contractors and they mean to try and govern the domestic market as well for these guidelines, to ensure safety and quality assurance. Insurance companies are beginning to take this into consideration and asking if the said trade is qualified, and proof required
Green labourers cards will not get you on site as a tiler or any other trade other than labourer, blue skilled only NVQ2 under these new guidelines.
Insurance companies will not insure your trade unless you are NVQ2 within the near future
On every job, 1 tiler is required to be of supervisory level SMSTS and or Gold card
On every job 1 tiler is required to be SSSST qualified.
HMRC checked UTR and NI, CIS registered

This might look like a load of *!?££*! but in reality, will ensure our industry is not flooded with cowboys, ensure health and safety guidelines are adhered to, and you are fully insured to undertake that project for peace of mind to the client.
These companies like Broken Link Removed will collate all of your professional information, and your prospective client will insist you are a member, as they do not have the resouces to check and re check your details. Only Accredited persons / companies will get a look in on potential tenders in the future, the windows of opportunity are getting less and less for non qualified trade persons, and soon they will not be able to insure themselves in their given trade unless NVQ standard.

 

[Qwerty]

Yet ANYONE can fit or repair a flat roof whether EPDM or felt. I'm sure at some point our trade will be regulated, but believe me, there are plenty of bigger fish and worse cowboys to target before us tilers. How many "cowboy builder" cases do we all see on TV where bad general building/ roofing puts people's lives and livelihoods at risk. We don't hear of many tilers like that. Now I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the big trades will be hit before we are. Where do they stop? Painters & decorators next? Not for quite a while I think

 

[m3fitter]

you used to be able to, they have discontinued the card, you can obtain a labourers card, but this card now involves a labourers 5 day course, aswell as HSE CITB ! they're making it harder for trades to gain access to site without the correct qualifications, due to their insurances and considerate construction scheme

 

[m3fitter]

Yet ANYONE can fit or repair a flat roof whether EPDM or felt. I'm sure at some point our trade will be regulated, but believe me, there are plenty of bigger fish and worse cowboys to target before us tilers. How many "cowboy builder" cases do we all see on TV where bad general building/ roofing puts people's lives and livelihoods at risk. We don't hear of many tilers like that. Now I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the big trades will be hit before we are. Where do they stop? Painters & decorators next? Not for quite a while I think

Its happening now, under the considerate construction scheme, and certain companies insisting on blue card nvq2 on their profession, hence the amount of training schools, courses advertised now to accommodate this, try booking a course, there's a long wait for many courses now.

 

[Qwerty]

Will certainly change the trade!

 

[Andy Allen]

As long as customers keep going for the cheapest cash job quote then you ain't going to change anything in the domestic market. ...simple as that !!

 

[Time's Ran Out]

If its regulated and proficiency is demanded then costs will increase as skilled trades are required - so a win/win situation.
Instead of complaining about cowboys, as professional tradespeople we should support these initiatives.

 

[m3fitter]

I've got my head around it now, to begin with I kicked up, but I have found that by being accredited or even going through the process on the way to being accreddited, having processes, NVQ qualifications, its opening up new avenues and to be honest, is giving us an advantage ie: one large high end developer has preferred contractors that are vetted by SMAS, and the other tenders are just price comparisons, and will never be accepted, that was from the horses mouth

 

[The D]

its not going to go away and its only going to get harder to get qualified as all the loop holes are exposed and closed. there is always a way to make Joe public change there ways, how many of us will have major electrical work done on our house without that bit of paper to say it was done correctly. It will be the same for all trades in the end and i am happy about that.

 

[Andy Allen]

its not going to go away and its only going to get harder to get qualified as all the loop holes are exposed and closed. there is always a way to make Joe public change there ways, how many of us will have major electrical work done on our house without that bit of paper to say it was done correctly. It will be the same for all trades in the end and i am happy about that.

I hope your right mate....I really do......I just think the domestic market is a million miles away from the contract work. You can't really compare what we do to electrics or gas safe.....were unlikely to blow someone's house up tiling the bathroom..