Right or wrong ?

[Chalker]

The customer is seeing the un-equal cuts to the sides of the window, this could have been avoided if a full tile was used at the Center, but centring the wc was correct.

 

[Dougs Third Go]

I just spent about a minute looking at that image wondering why the ceiling was tiled:8:

Snap! I've just looked again this morning and realised that the pic needs rotating by 90 deg lol!

 

[Qwerty]

Definitely needed a full tile in the centre IMO

 

[Stef]

There's nothing wrong with the tiling, it's just a difference of opinion on the setting out.
It's not wrong the way it's been done, it's just not the way I would do it.
As Chalker says her eyes being drawn to the unequal cuts either side of the window.

 

[Spud]

if you dont get paid for a nice job like this then we should all give up tiling now , there were no set out drawings and the customer complimented the guy on his work when he was finished

 

[widler]

I'd bite the bullet,go in to do it again ,knock them off,clean up and tell the silly cow to do it herself .
I would of set it so it's a full tile,but it still looks fine ,she sounds a right Idjeet

 

[Saltire69]

Agree with John on this one. As soon as you open the door your eyes are drawn to the cuts at the window. Not wither the flush is center. For me as a rule of thumb I never have cuts on short(shorter than a full tile) boxing in. Just think your eyes get drawn to that more than anything. For me a lot of our job is getting the setting out pleasing to the eye. Centering is great if it all works out ok to the eye. How many eyes in their lol

 

[Stef]

I only had a year to go before I was a time served brickie, I had an instructor who was an absolute master at his trade & he always told me that it doesn't have to be level it's what's pleasing to the eye!!!
I have always stood by that statement in whatever I do & it's always stood me in good stead whether it's level, plumb etc...

 

[AliGage]

I had an arguement all geared up and ready for this but just went back and looked at the picture again.

If the tile was centred through the flush plate it would be better set out. The cuts up the window would have been avoided.

But its unfair not to be paid for it. Other than the oversight in settong out, it looks good 😎

 

[peterwhayward]

Mrct has said in his original post that the customer wanted the window centred so he could not have put a full tile in the middle of the flush without the cuts either side being odd........or am I missing something.?. (probably)

 

[AliGage]

Mrct has said in his original post that the customer wanted the window centred so he could not have put a full tile in the middle of the flush without the cuts either side being odd........or am I missing something.?. (probably)

centering the window doesn't necessarily mean a grout joint has to run through the centre.
You can split a tile through the centre. so a column of tiles run centrally through the window, which would give equal cuts either side. or, in this instance, "fuller" cuts. eliminating any grout joint down the left and right hand sides.

 

[peterwhayward]

centering the window doesn't necessarily mean a grout joint has to run through the centre.
You can split a tile through the centre. so a column of tiles run centrally through the window, which would give equal cuts either side. or, in this instance, "fuller" cuts. eliminating any grout joint down the left and right hand sides.

You misunderstand me. I am saying that if the tile (not the grout joint) was centred in the window then the cuts either side of the wall below the window would be unequal. His client by the sound of it would have disliked that also.

 

[Rossymcg]

The Window reveals are at eye level and the 1st thing you see when walking in, the the un even grout lines stand out awfully, I'd be pretty un happy seeing the uneven lines on such a small back wall either side of the window, if it were my cloak room id be taking the tiles off and re doing it,
if I'm in a situation where it could be done more than one way, I'm not the one to be making that decision and always ask the customer what they prefer

 

[peterwhayward]

The window being the first thing you see when walking into a toilet is a matter of opinion. In a previous post mrct says that when he left the customer was very happy and was going to pay (by bacs) and that she had been watching the progress of the job over a couple of days.If the loo and very large flush were "off centre" to a tile many people would or could say that they are the first thing you see when walking in. I just feel that to give mrct a "guilty" verdict is a little harsh as he obviously thought he was doing the right thing. Sounds to me like a third party may have cast a critical eye over the finished job and provoked her into going back on her "promise to pay".
Jeez I have two 40 dwelling privately owned residential homes that I have the maintenance contract for and for every job I do there is 79 different opinions on how I could have done it better.
Stick to your guns mrct and get paid for a good job.

 

[AliGage]

You misunderstand me. I am saying that if the tile (not the grout joint) was centred in the window then the cuts either side of the wall below the window would be unequal. His client by the sound of it would have disliked that also.

yes they would be different sizes. By maybe 30mm-ish. But they would be big cuts as oppose to (in my opinion) cuts which are far too small.
The grout joints will draw your attention more than the tile size.

Asthetically, shifting half a tile over is 100 times better.
Besides which, its less grouting!!

 

[Andy Allen]

Definitely sounds like someone's stuck there nose in where its not wanted. And now it's been pointed out to the customer then its all there looking at. I would still try and go for a compromise. But I wouldn't say all the blame lies with you..

 

[AliGage]

The window being the first thing you see when walking into a toilet is a matter of opinion. In a previous post mrct says that when he left the customer was very happy and was going to pay (by bacs) and that she had been watching the progress of the job over a couple of days.If the loo and very large flush were "off centre" to a tile many people would or could say that they are the first thing you see when walking in. I just feel that to give mrct a "guilty" verdict is a little harsh as he obviously thought he was doing the right thing. Sounds to me like a third party may have cast a critical eye over the finished job and provoked her into going back on her "promise to pay".
Jeez I have two 40 dwelling privately owned residential homes that I have the maintenance contract for and for every job I do there is 79 different opinions on how I could have done it better.
Stick to your guns mrct and get paid for a good job.

Im not going to go back and check but don't think anyone is sayin "wrong" on a catagorical way. I actually stated that the job looked good. All i am saying is asthetically it would look better if the tile was halved through the flush plate.

 

[Martyn Leeds]

Its all down to opinion, and obviously some random bloke has given his opinion and she's going with that. I would of somehow avoided the cuts on the window sides, even if it meant cheating and not following the joints upwards maybe.

When I'm setting out I always double check cuts with customers first, sometimes to the point where they think I'm a div - but that's 'cos once I had someone moan about some splashback cuts (until I explained their way didn't work)

I don't like to say it, but I think it might be a case of 'the customer is always right'.

I'd try come to a solution, if it means doing that wall again then hey-ho. As long as they pay for tiles, trim, adh etc. Then all it'll cost is a day labour.. then you get your ££'s

 

[widler]

How much would you lose ? 3 days pay , knock it off and tell her to do it herself.
If you have supplied materials and leave it clean she can do bugger all !
Honestly , people are shelling peas on here, she is being a cow and just does not want to pay

 

[TJ Smiler]

Absolutely no way would i not be paid for that job, it looks good to me and she is just being an awkward *****. She hired you for your experience, skill, knowledge and time and this involves leaving you to make a decision on something, you made a decision to tile it the way you did because you thought that was what would look the best. Yeah, you could have done this and done that but they are just according to personal opinions, everyone agrees it's a nice job. I despise customers like this. NO WAY would i be doing that again unless she paid me the original full price. Failing that, if she didn't pay i would be taking them all off the wall and leaving them there.

This type of customer is a total mickey taker and i am completely sick of them......... Get your money mate and don't re-tile.

 

[m3fitter]

but double cut either side of window ? really ! I was taught different to this, you're meant to be looking at tiles, not grout lines... I don't mean to be argumentative but I think we should put this to the vote we all know we can get paid on most jobs as the client doesn't look at tiling everyday, but.... if another tiler looks at your work, this is the benchmark as they can see right from wrong...
example: a client the other day wanted skirtings to match the courses on a 600x300 floor, one side 600 skirtings and 300mm on the left and right, I said this is highly unusual and persuaded them to have all 600mm skirtings, in the end they thanked me for my experience and the end result, I think we have a duty to point out potential irregularities... we get paid for our expertise, knowledge as well as manual skill..
ps: I think you should have been paid for it, as the tiling looks fine, and a setting out issue, does not warrant not paying
In summing up, the real issue is the tiler, not being as confident as he should be, stating the reasons why this and that would look better, clarifying it, and doing his job as a tradesman, as opposed to allowing an amateur to dictate the way the job went i'm afraid.