New methods in Sweden

[limco]

Since Aug this year, all bathrooms that has a wooden construction...
Lip board or other non plasterboard must be used (plasterboard is forbidden)

then this must be put on the lip board & the floor.
You mix a special compound (like glue) to put this up......

then you can tile the bathroom.

It's getting so crazy over here in Sweden with thier bathrooms, the rules are changing all the time and it's getting more expensive for people to renovate their bathrooms.
But now we have this rot avdrag..............the customer only pays 50% of the work cost and the tax office pays the other 50%....
So all those jobs under the table are gone !...........

 

[jay]

sounds interesting any more info thanks on products used

 

[limco]

I use this company's products- they are the best on the market right now.

They have a English page, find this and have a read about the products being used in
Scandinavia.

 

[DHTiling]

I use this company's products- they are the best on the market right now.

They have a English page, find this and have a read about the products being used in
Scandinavia.

Until we get to know you better then do link to that company thanks..

 

[limco]

Until we get to know you better then do link to that company thanks..

No problem Dave.................I run a forum myself and I know what you mean ...
Just a wee slip up there....

 

[DHTiling]

cheers.

 

[Kakelman]

Bathroom I finished last year - Even thou all the walls are not tiled- it's still a wet room. Rules over here in Sweden are so strict - plus you must be a member of the Swedish tilers association before you can renovate any bathrooms - plus they send out inspectors to look at your work- if you have broke the rules & there are so many - then your licence will be taking away from you- membership is £700 a year
P.s_ I was Limco before ( but could not remember my password )- wow that was 10 years
Ago - where did all the time go ?

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This was bathroom finished last month

 

[widler]

Don’t you have to put access panels on every joint in a wall? Swedish mike told me you have to have access to EVERY joint in a bathroom , is this true

 

[Kakelman]

Don’t you have to put access panels on every joint in a wall? Swedish mike told me you have to have access to EVERY joint in a bathroom , is this true

access panels ?

 

[widler]

Panels so you can get to the joints in the pipe work, joints in any pipework, like soldered copper or plastic joints, any joint in pipework ? This swedish mile fellow said in sweden you had to have access to every joint just in case it leaks ? I thought he was talking his usual poo out of mouth , but As usual he was backed by some of the powers thst be on here ?
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Something like this

 

[Kakelman]

Panels ! okay- I think he was talking about inspection locks - if water pipes that are joined and inside the wall - then yes ! you have to have panels to get to these pipes incase there is a leak- plus it is also forbidden to have any water pipes coming up from the floor- they have to come out from the wall- as I said, the rules for a wet room over here are crazy- but you have to follow them or your licence will be taking away from you......

 

[widler]

Wow, thats amazing , all the pipework with joints has to have a panel.so at a shower head or valve you literally have a couple of access panels right in front of you while showering ?
ha e you any pictures of these mate, imstruggling to get my tiny brain around this ?
Does the same apply all around a house, every pipe joint you have to have access too? Im really curious as in britain there would literally be a panel on every wall and ceiling snd floor in every room as pipe joints are everywhere .
Houses in Sweden must look weird !

 

[Kakelman]

Okay ! lets see if I can explain this a bit better - when water pipes have been joined ( pressed ) and they are in the wall - then a access panel must be used-

this access panel will be on the other side of the wall ( not in the bathroom ) - could be in the bedroom or hallway......if this is not possible- then it will be in the bathroom
If the water pipes are old- they will be replaced with this ( photo enclosed )
This will be in the outer wall - In Sweden, we call this Safety water installations - all new water pipes will be controlled here- as I said, there are so many rules over here with bathrooms

 

[Dumbo]

Me and a plumber did this for a guy with OCD who couldn't live with a joint in the wall so all pipes were hep2o running back to a manifold as above he did though have to have joints on the back of the shower mixer

 

[Italy]

Okay ! lets see if I can explain this a bit better - when water pipes have been joined ( pressed ) and they are in the wall - then a access panel must be used-
View attachment 111992
this access panel will be on the other side of the wall ( not in the bathroom ) - could be in the bedroom or hallway......if this is not possible- then it will be in the bathroom
If the water pipes are old- they will be replaced with this ( photo enclosed )View attachment 111991
This will be in the outer wall - In Sweden, we call this Safety water installations - all new water pipes will be controlled here- as I said, there are so many rules over here with bathrooms

even in Italy the systems are like this.

 

[Macelroy]

Wow, thats amazing , all the pipework with joints has to have a panel.so at a shower head or valve you literally have a couple of access panels right in front of you while showering ?
ha e you any pictures of these mate, imstruggling to get my tiny brain around this ?
Does the same apply all around a house, every pipe joint you have to have access too? Im really curious as in britain there would literally be a panel on every wall and ceiling snd floor in every room as pipe joints are everywhere .
Houses in Sweden must look weird !

No. Shower valves do not have joints inside walls. The pipe comes out through the wall, has a tanking collar round it, and the shower valve is attached to the pipes externally. If the joint leaks then it leaks into the shower and not inside the wall. It's literally as simple as that.

Pipes are two types: if MLCP then pipe in pipe with no joints, except at the manifold cupboard. If a pipe got punctured by a screw you could pull out the pipe and install a new one with zero disruption or ripping out.

If copper then they are PVC clad half-hard copper on coils (up to 50m). We have them in 12mm in the U.K. for use for oil supplies to boilers etc. They have them in 15mm size to feed showers, sinks etc. If a copper pipe got punctured in service then it would require ripping out. Copper is used in solid substrates, pipe in pipe for stud.

 

[Macelroy]

No. Shower valves do not have joints inside walls. The pipe comes out through the wall, has a tanking collar round it, and the shower valve is attached to the pipes externally. If the joint leaks then it leaks into the shower and not inside the wall. It's literally as simple as that.

Pipes are two types: if MLCP then pipe in pipe with no joints, except at the manifold cupboard. If a pipe got punctured by a screw you could pull out the pipe and install a new one with zero disruption or ripping out.

If copper then they are PVC clad half-hard copper on coils (up to 50m). We have them in 12mm in the U.K. for use for oil supplies to boilers etc. They have them in 15mm size to feed showers, sinks etc. If a copper pipe got punctured in service then it would require ripping out. Copper is used in solid substrates, pipe in pipe for stud.

Video shows full system and installation. Been out since 2009. Similar systems have been around in North America for at least seven or eight years too.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGUv2N5CiOg