Lining Up Walls And Floors

[Flintstone]

Who does it whenever possible? I do sometimes but I rarely try and match all 4 walls up with the floor. It often compromises the set out of the walls. Do you try and match up the end with the width with using 60x30 tiles?

 

[Ian]

I do it if possible, it's very rare I do a room that has the same tiles on the floor as the walls, so more often than not it's not possible. It is something I like to see, so given the chance (and if it doesn't compromise set out), I'll always do it.

 

[J Sid]

always, very, very rarely is it not possible . And have never found by doing so compromises the wall setting out, if it does then would rather see joints lined up.
as far as I am concerned, anyone who doesn't line floor and wall up should be first against the wall come the revolution. 🙂

 

[Flintstone]

The things I like to see are a full tile starting in the door way on the floor. Even cuts at each end of a wall or at each side of a window reveal.
Often you can end up with a small cut at one end of wall and a larger one at other end when lining joints up. Also, sometimes a tile that's 600 X 300, doesn't line up with the ends by the time you have the spacers in

 

[J Sid]

most 600x300 do match and if they don't its only buy a mm and can be hidden.
full tile for door 🙁 don't approach a room with the setting out plan in your head )

 

[Old Mod]

I'll agree sometimes it's a bit like Hobson's choice, knackered, no matter which way you go. 🙂
But I definately always think that bonding the joints thro is the way to go.
I find clients are far more inclined to ignore the odd small'ish cut if they like the look of everything else.
And when u walk in to a room and the first thing u see is a floor nicely aligned with the back wall, typically the window wall, they're so impressed with what they see, they barely see anything else!
Cos let's be honest if you're greeted with that as a first impression, it instantly tells you that the jobs been thought about professionally.

Totally get what you're saying about tiles on their short side being exactly half of the length of their long side, yeah you can be pretty stuffed.
But not always.
You can always tighten the floor joint half a mil and open the wall joint half a mil, that kinda thing.
So if u are stuffed, in that instance I'll still line the floor with the back wall as you go in, so it looks like they start at the door and finish at the ceiling.
That's what impresses I feel.
Then on the side walls I'll break the bond completely, won't even try and get it to work.
I feel it's better to have a total broken bond as appossd to almost getting it, but not.
That makes it look like u've tried to bond the walls and floors but failed.
If u completely break the bond, then it's obvious that it's deliberate!
Good setting out is, for me, one of the most important aspects of the job.
It shows u care and take pride in your work, and if a client thinks you care, then other little miss demeanours get ignored, cos they actually believe u care as much as they do.
Not always the case obviously 😀 but often.
Full tile at the door is great, not always achievable tho,
and to be blunt, ain't about what u like, it's what's best for the client! 😛

 

[Time's Ran Out]

always, very, very rarely is it not possible . And have never found by doing so compromises the wall setting out, if it does then would rather see joints lined up.
as far as I am concerned, anyone who doesn't line floor and wall up should be first against the wall come the revolution. 🙂

Couldn't have said it better apart from upsetting others, and the bit about the firing squad come the revolution straight out of Wolfie Smith!

 

[Flintstone]

most 600x300 do match and if they don't its only buy a mm and can be hidden.
full tile for door 🙁 don't approach a room with the setting out plan in your head )

Don't tell me how to approach a job. Nobody wants a cut tile in the doorway into there bathroom

 

[Flintstone]

I'll agree sometimes it's a bit like Hobson's choice, knackered, no matter which way you go. 🙂
But I definately always think that bonding the joints thro is the way to go.
I find clients are far more inclined to ignore the odd small'ish cut if they like the look of everything else.
And when u walk in to a room and the first thing u see is a floor nicely aligned with the back wall, typically the window wall, they're so impressed with what they see, they barely see anything else!
Cos let's be honest if you're greeted with that as a first impression, it instantly tells you that the jobs been thought about professionally.

Totally get what you're saying about tiles on their short side being exactly half of the length of their long side, yeah you can be pretty stuffed.
But not always.
You can always tighten the floor joint half a mil and open the wall joint half a mil, that kinda thing.
So if u are stuffed, in that instance I'll still line the floor with the back wall as you go in, so it looks like they start at the door and finish at the ceiling.
That's what impresses I feel.
Then on the side walls I'll break the bond completely, won't even try and get it to work.
I feel it's better to have a total broken bond as appossd to almost getting it, but not.
That makes it look like u've tried to bond the walls and floors but failed.
If u completely break the bond, then it's obvious that it's deliberate!
Good setting out is, for me, one of the most important aspects of the job.
It shows u care and take pride in your work, and if a client thinks you care, then other little miss demeanours get ignored, cos they actually believe u care as much as they do.
Not always the case obviously 😀 but often.
Full tile at the door is great, not always achievable tho,
and to be blunt, ain't about what u like, it's what's best for the client! 😛

I agree! Lining up the floor with the main wall, is great, and normally no compromise, but lining the floor up with all 4 walls normally ends up with the walls having very odd cuts at each end and not looking great

 

[LM]

I'm ordering popcorn 😀

 

[Aston]

Julian's 100% correct, whatever you would gain by focusing on a wall or a floor separately, would be totally lost on the overall effect...if the dimensions of a tile allow the walls to be aligned with the floor, then it should be done.

and i know that setting out can be a personal thing BUT the fundamentals of setting out remain the same. aesthetically pleasing on the eye and to avoid unachieveable / unsightly cuts.

 

[peteablard]

Don't tell me how to approach a job. Nobody wants a cut tile in the doorway into there bathroom

I disagree, I can't ever remember setting out a room based on a full tile in the doorway

 

[WetSaw]

I feel another "Criticism" thread coming on.....

 

[Flintstone]

I disagree, I can't ever remember setting out a room based on a full tile in the doorway

The floor, not the entire room.

 

[Italy]

criticism? I like to criticize 😉 ahaahh
I align everything.
if small cuts window. Cutting on the door.
If the window does not remain. centered with cuts. I do not care. I prefer alignments.
600x300 change. 1 / 2mm grouting. up to achieve alignment.
I agree with marc. @3_fall happy customer. . almost finished work.

 

[peteablard]

The floor, not the entire room.

Yes but as you stated in another post having a full tile in the door way often causes small cuts on the wall (If the tiles are the same size and you wanted to follow the joint through) Therefore it compromises the setting out of the whole room.
Personally if floor and wall tiles are the same size then I would centre the floor with even cuts at all sides which then can be nicely continued up the wall.
If the window is a main focal point then I might centre the tiles off that which would then mean different size cuts at each wall. The floor would then have different size cuts at each end as I would follow it through

 

[Flintstone]

Let's be right, every job is different and there is no real certain rule. A lot of matching tile jobs I do are wet rooms which I like the joints to run through the centre of the trap in both directions.

 

[peteablard]

Let's be right, every job is different and there is no real certain rule. A lot of matching tile jobs I do are wet rooms which I like the joints to run through the centre of the trap in both directions.

Agreed!

 

[WetSaw]

As has been said many times before, no 2 jobs are the same!

 

[J Sid]

Don't tell me how to approach a job. Nobody wants a cut tile in the doorway into there bathroom

really?

 

[J Sid]

I agree! Lining up the floor with the main wall, is great, and normally no compromise, but lining the floor up with all 4 walls normally ends up with the walls having very odd cuts at each end and not looking great

bloody rubbish, never had a problems lining up and look right everywhere

 

[Italy]

bloody rubbish, never haddock problems lining up and look right everywhere

julian always criticize........😡😡😡

 

[J Sid]

Let's be right, every job is different and there is no real certain rule. A lot of matching tile jobs I do are wet rooms which I like the joints to run through the centre of the trap in both directions.

first choice, fit wet deck yourself, If not, you should tell that person, whoever that is, the position you want the drain to be.
if this can't be done then you have two real choices, set out with joints running though drain centre or full tile over drain, this could be moved around slightly to help with wall setting out.
as a last result the tiler could recommend mosaics on the deck and set out ignoring the deck and drain.

 

[Flintstone]

I stated this thread for topical conversation and thoughts, not to be told I'm in the wrong, and this is what I should do, and frowning on my opinions.

 

[Aston]

@local tiler ,
don't let it get to you mate ;0)

if you put something out there on a forum, its gonna go in 3 directions.
Praise, criticism or an alternative opinion.

my advice would be this,
1. don't get carried away with the compliments,
2. don't get pi55ed of with the criticism
3. be open minded to the alternative opinions

it'll all be history tomorrow ;0)

 

[Flintstone]

There is too much I'm right and your wrong going on, not just on this thread.

 

[J Sid]

I stated this thread for topical conversation and thoughts, not to be told I'm in the wrong, and this is what I should do, and frowning on my opinions.

we are giving our thoughts on how we do it and how we believe it should be done.
you stated in you first post how you normally do it.
just because we have a different way to you doesn't mean are having a pop 😉 even if you are doing it wrong 😱

 

[Flintstone]

What ever.

 

[Aston]

There is too much I'm right and your wrong going on, not just on this thread.

you are right, there is wayyyy tooo much of it going on.
plasterers are b'stards,
rubi's are for amateurs
i can do 50 meters an hour
i earn a grand a day
courses are sh'te
stay in the eu
leave the eu

but one thing is for sure, i am always right!!!
even if i'm wrong ;0)

 

[Andy Allen]

 

[hmtiling]

Glad I popped on🙂