No im not saying he should grind. Was just pointing out about other tilers ive seen thinking it needs more SL rather than grinded.
No im not saying he should grind. Was just pointing out about other tilers ive seen thinking it needs more SL rather than grinded.
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mp3wizard
So I need to check the top level only on the level, I'm a bit confused on what method I'm using to spread it, am I pouring a thick layer by the bifolds then scrapping along the floor, or gliding it? Won't it leave a juddering effect on the finish?
Or should I just pour the entire area then glide over it afterwards? Until now I've not been stepping on the compound once, so by getting on hands and knees to scrap it's a big change.
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Flintstone
It's impossible to say the best method without being there with the spirit level
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mp3wizard
Ok cheers, I'll see if I can watch some videos
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Spare Tool
Survey the whole floor first with your longest level, get right down and look under it for dips, mark the dips with a permanent marker, pour some leveler in and drag your level over it...like this
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Flintstone
Plenty on YouTube, they all make it look simple 😉
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mp3wizard
I just watched this one, I guess the only question I have left is am I just using the slc on the crap bits or throughout the entire area?
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mp3wizard
I've enquired with a company to finish off the screeding, I'd be providing the SLC, what would be a competitive price in your opinion?
We don't dicuss any prices in the open forum...
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rufus the tiler
Tiling is not rocket science I know but the more experience the better the job generally...so with no experience and with a job as per drawing.....I think (especially as it looks like you have spending a few quid) to risk messing with the finishing Ie tiling....you would be unwise......wall tiling maybe...but floors are a bit harder to get looking right
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Flintstone
Rufus, we have been down that road already and he's tiling it himself
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dave l and l
think you will have to get a few qoutes from people who will be willing to level the floor for you. can your builder recommend someone to you,
OP, don't throw the towel in. Have a crack at it again . Large Eze spat, large trowel, mix the SL to the right consistently and you'll be ok. You already know what not to do, next time you'll get it right. Don't be giving up that easy. It's only a floor!
I know but it isnt rocket science. I do understand your concern thou because your a professional tiler and take pride in your trade however, if the guy gets the base level(flat) enough with the SL and with plenty of addy, 12-15m trowel, back buttered and the tile leveling system, he'll pull off a nice enough diy finish. Its not like hes laying a mosaic floor around corners etc, they are 800x800 tiles! Just as long as theres no large humps in the floor, im willing to put my faith in him and he'll pull it off. YEs he might have some grout lines that are 5mm, and others 4mm and maybe a 3mm somewhere but at the end of the day, its his house, his money and itll be an ego boost for him when he does do a reasonable job. People are to quick to jump on fellas tiling a floor. Ive seen some horrendous tiling in my time but i have faith in this guy. Cant wait to see the finished pictures.
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Time's Ran Out
If he gets someone to level it then he's in a better position to attempt the tiling.
gamma38
TF
It's not a question of being a professional tiler, he was advised about having a go himself saying what has happened may happen. It's actually a lot harder to lay 800 x 800 tiles than 300 x 300 for arguments sake. The floor has to be prepped a lot better for the larger tiles. He also said he has height issues to deal with, more self level will make this worse. Plenty of addy as you put it will also make this worse. furthermore it's not needed if it's prepped correctly. Unfortunately it has disaster written all over it.
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mp3wizard
thanks for your vote of confidence average, I do feel that the next batch of SLC will go better, but I understand the concerns from others that it is the last attempt before I'd get into problems with floor level etc, so I want it get it right, if these guys comeback with a reasonable quote then for peace of mind I might use them for screeding only, if it's too much then I will do myself using the methods discussed.
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Flintstone
Just have a think carefully about it, if you can't get the floor flat to within a couple of mm over the length of your 2m level then your gonna struggle with those tiles same as a professional would
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mp3wizard
I understand, I just got the quote in and it was over double what I'd consider paying, so I will be going it alone (well help from bro aswell).
If it was me in your situation, the thing you need is a height to work to, otherwise you could be pouring slc forever. If you can get a bag of plastic packers, of varying thicknesses you will be able to get it somewhat nearer than just pouring and hoping. If you find the high point on the existing poured slc and then work from there.
What you need to do is Silicon the first packer (cut them into 3 pieces) to the high point. Sit your level on top of the packer and approx 600mm away from there use more packers until its level. Move round the room uniformly fixing the packers with Silicon. Once set you can then pour the new slc until it's level with the top of the packers
What you need to do is Silicon the first packer (cut them into 3 pieces) to the high point. Sit your level on top of the packer and approx 600mm away from there use more packers until its level. Move round the room uniformly fixing the packers with Silicon. Once set you can then pour the new slc until it's level with the top of the packers
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Flintstone
Top advice there John
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Handyeire
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White Room
Screwix, toolstation and any good builders merchants.
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Handyeire
I just get them from my local timber merchant, but they generally come in packs like this
Tradefix Direct - http://www.tradefixdirect.com/plastic-packers/plastic-glazing-packers-assorted-pack?gclid=CKn_jdvUuNECFesp0wod5IsAdQ
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Handyeire
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mp3wizard
thanks John, being able to see visually will be a huge help,
will 1 mixed pack of 200 be sufficient?
is there any special type of Silicon I should use?
I'm guessing I should avoid placing them over the heating element if I can help it.
with this method should I still be using the straight edge of the level to spread or will the usual pour and spiked roller be sufficient?
will 1 mixed pack of 200 be sufficient?
is there any special type of Silicon I should use?
I'm guessing I should avoid placing them over the heating element if I can help it.
with this method should I still be using the straight edge of the level to spread or will the usual pour and spiked roller be sufficient?
More than enough, cut them into 3 pieces to make them smaller. Any Silicon will be fine. I would just pour and use a trowel particularly over the existing slc as it will spread less easily as the thickness will probably be a few mm at most. Pour and use the roller on areas where the new slc is going. Work quickly though, it will set faster the thinner it is!!!!
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