En suite wet room install

[junkie]

Hi folks, 1st time post here.:8:

I am planning on installing a wet room in my ensuite, total novice but a quick learner.

I decided it was a good idea to rip out the en suite as it had a horrible floor wall cubicle like a caravan does, then got it all bare and thought great now what do i do, been stuck for 4 weeks trying to decide the best course of action.

So here are some pictures of where i am upto.

Ok so the things i was thinking of doing...

Tank shower area and floor
Electric cable UFH
Totally tiled

I was going to drop the whole floor level on noggins so the floor height remains low.

Marmox showerlay tray
Marmox tile backer boards to whole floor + Ditra matting
Marmox the bare brickwork wall and stud walls

Now i se the wetdec stuff on here and it looks great but it also looks like the shower former will raise the floor too much and i have no walls to stick the membrane onto, also i dont want the black mouldy stuff coming through the grout thats usually associated with the grout and plasterboard, but will the membrane prevent this on the plasterboard if i did it that way.

I was going to use the marmox floor due to the UFH been on suspended timber and the wood can expand and contract, but if i read it right the matting on floors will prevent that anyway and stop tiles cracking.

So what showerlay former should i use.
What shall i use on the walls.
What tiles are best suited and the whole floor must be the same tile.
What size tiles will suit the room shape and former.

Please help im going round in circles, i think i have it all figured then 2nd guess myself as to which route is best.

Finally as ever cost is the biggest enemy but i have all the time in the world to do it.

Lets say 2k to floor form, tank, sink, adjust pipework [current shower waste drain was sat on top of the floor as well as sink hence why all the floor was coming up to re route it all as well as toilet waste], buy the tiles and pay somebody to tile it. Been quoted around £600 to tile floor and walls.

Many thanks for any help, and lots more questions coming.

 

[jay]

hi recomend you get a pro in ask the boys on here to come give you a quote save you heaps in long run :8:

 

[junkie]

Well i dont mind doing the work i just need the advice on whats the best route, i was a plasterer for years so doing walls is no problem and i am a fridge engineer so pipework/plumbing is not an issue along with the electrics.

 

[jay]

thats fine but you would be suprised how much work is involved in doing your job correct and 1 little slip up can be costley even down to tile choice trust me tou can doo a lot but recomend you source a tradie to help guide you up to tiling stage then let them do it .:8:

 

[brian c]

could have picked a better username mate,what are you thinking about? :yikes:

 

[junkie]

Haha i know its just a name i use on other forums. Im not a junkie for the record lol.

Anyway thats why im here to get the guidance and why i also ask the question about what type of tiles are best suited, and why i am paying a tiler to tile it.

I know 1 slip up can be costly thats why i do have all the time in the world to do it right, measure twice cut once and all that.

 

[brian c]

are the pipes in position for the shower?

do this first then cement board the walls.

install shower tray or former.

tank the walls then come back and ask some more questions.

 

[junkie]

I understand all the sequence but thanks for the tip.

Where i am stuck is do i plasterboard, i will only do this if it will not get black mould through the grout.

And what floor former and thickness depending on how much of the floor i replace/lower, and what effect the UFH has on the floor type to choose, its just to warm the floor i think and not the room heating.

 

[brian c]

use a water resistant plasterboard or cement board and tank with a protective membrane.Use an anti mould grout from the Mapei range and this should lessen the chance of getting mould especially if you use a tanking membrane.

 

[junkie]

Thanks again brian, so my Marmox board on the walls is the right way of thinking and that can mean i should use the Marmox floor former and also do the full floor in the same material and lower the whole floor on noggins.

Where the shower will be in the pics, where do you think the ideal place is for the shower heads, blockwork wall, or stud wall divide between en suite and bedroom, bearing in mind were not having a screen and just leaving it open and the en suite door position, would it be advisable to build a small 100mm or something corner sticking out from the wall where the door is to prevent water going too near the door and water possibly going into the bedroom, i know if it does go that way i have a bigger problem to worry about, im just thinking prevention is better than cure

 

[brian c]

tbh ,contact wetdec on here and he will sort you out and give pro guidance on wetrooms as he is an expert in this field and he gives good discount to TF members.

 

[brian c]

also ,i think you will need some sort of screen to prevent the water from causing any damage in the bedroom etc.You can also slope the floor to prevent this.

 

[junkie]

I was hoping wetdec would have posted up but nothing as of yet lol.

Patiently awaits the info and help from you......

 

[wetdec]

Hi

Ok lets clear up a couple of things.

The area the former is going is the stud wall end .........yes

How wide is the stud wall

How far from the stud wall do youu want to come out (wet area)

Which way are your joists running when looking at stud wall

You want to use ufh over the whole room




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[junkie]

The man arrives. Im at work at the moment but i did a diagram and photo'd it see last pic with dimensions on but yes the former is going where the stud wall is, the joists run from door wall to outside gable end where the drain will go to. I was going to put the former from stud wall to door basically approx 1100 x 800 as big as i can. Yes ufh on the whole floor including shower floor. The diagram is nearly to scale for a pretty good idea of the room.

 

[wetdec]

Thats ok always better from the horses mouth :smilewinkgrin:

I'l take a look later fr you m8


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[junkie]

Brilliant mate much appreciated, i just want whats best for my situation as all these "kits" dont seem to fit my needs, without costing the earth, should also mention the floor to ceiling is 2.2m.

 

[junkie]

Looking at the Tuff2 grp base i see its 22mm thick and can span joists without underboarding, does this include the waste trap and so can it be installed easily as the other one, the type that dont need cementing in?

Also how would i then do the rest of the floor, i have chipboard down but it says i need to ply over with 12mm i think on wooden substrate, this would then give me an uneven floor?

I am ready to order stuff as well i just need to know which stuff to get.:lol:

 

[junkie]

Well from looking into stuff i need to remove the whole floor, add in the tuff2 grp tray span the joists. 5m floor dura ci kit and 10m wall kit, is the offer still on for the 5m wall kit. Then also ply the rest of the floor with 22mm. Whats the best price you can do for me please and does it include a drain waste trap.

 

[junkie]

Wow I didn't realise it had been so long since I started this project.

Unfortunately I had to put it on the back burner due to financial issues, nearly been made redundant in the process but all has been sorted and I can continue once again.

The room is exactly the same as per pics on page 1 except there is no floor at all.

Decided on everything and I shall keep this updated to show the finished article, as I'm sure lots of advice gets given out but not too many people post up the finished room.

I'm going to order the wetdec kit consisting of

Tuff2 tray former
Dura wp
UFH
Egg pod style toilet and basin
Thermostatic shower mixer with fixed head
Build in shelving/false wall style
Fully tile in travertine
Obligratory towel radiators
Ceiling spot lights

So a few more questions arise.

Firstly apologies for not ordering previously wetdec and I forgot how much tanking I need, how high to go and is the wp ok for the floor and does it also need to cover the former or is that already built onto the former?

With travertine is this a good choice for a wetroom, I see it needs maintenance regarding sealing?

Wetdec could you please give me a price for the former and tanking again please with and without the UFH.

Much appreciated.

 

[junkie]

Forgot to add I need the 1300 x 820 tuff2 former.

 

[DHTiling]

Hello and welcome back..


Look forward to updates on how you get on and maybe just maybe a few pics..

 

[junkie]

Thanks dave and Jesus that's the highest post count I have ever seen on any forum. Not sure which way I see that, is that good or bad haha.

 

[DHTiling]

who me.. i am sad..:lol:

 

[Daz]

Yeah but 30k of the posts are in the music threads :lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[jay]

Yeah but 30k of the posts are in the music threads :lol::lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol:

 

[DHTiling]

Yeah but 30k of the posts are in the music threads :lol::lol::lol::lol:

##27k.. get it right.

 

[junkie]

Just researching the travertine tile weight on plaster issues on here and I'm slightly confused.

The new Walls I am putting in will be ok as they will be bare plasterboard, where I'm confused is the existing dot dab Walls which are skimmed and emulsioned, is the weight issue with the tiles if they are mounted directly onto the emulsioned plaster or is it possible to use the dura wp on these to "spread" the load over the wall?

 

[Dan]

Just bumping some of the older popular (sometimes not so popular) threads. Probably wont be current discussion these days but I just need to do it. So just ignore the thread if it's not current for you.