Cscs Card - Tiling Cscs Card For Site Work

[marky]

Hi all work still slow,i am thinking about getting a cscs card and going back on to site.Have the health&safety book read it and did alright,have not been on site since 1995 plus i am 40 this year and been tiling 23 years.It was great back in the day but have heard diff storys that they want you in and out,how can you do a good job?it has to be that way for.:8:

 

[White Room]

I think the in and out bit is mainly on house bashing, it was when I done it

 

[Spud]

you will find things alot different from 15 years ago mate, its all gone a bit health and safety crazy ,good luck ,lets us know how you get on

 

[marky]

Will do am a bit set in my ways

 

[Stan001]

Im no expert but i think a standard CSCS card is just your health and safety, you wont be allowed to tile on site with it! You need a CSCS card with wall and floor tiling on the back, to get that you need to pass your NVQ2

 

[Gazzer]

Im no expert but i think a standard CSCS card is just your health and safety, you wont be allowed to tile on site with it! You need a CSCS card with wall and floor tiling on the back, to get that you need to pass your NVQ2

As long as you are going through asesment and can prove it they will let you on site. Most will let you on anyway.

 

[Stan001]

... i didnt know that bit. thx

 

[Gazzer]

... i didnt know that bit. thx

I would just clarify that they shouldnt let you on site but they just want the job done. Most of the time site agents dont know anything about this matter, they just want to get you through induction and back to their cup of tea.

 

[diamondtiling]

I would just clarify that they shouldnt let you on site but they just want the job done. Most of the time site agents dont know anything about this matter, they just want to get you through induction and back to their cup of tea.

In the induction you will be asked for your relevant details, method statements, copy of public liability, cscs card which will state your trade, without these you will not be allowed to work on site.
Not sure how you can be payed without one?

 

[mikethetile]

you have different kinds of cscs card, the basic card is a h&s card and will let you on a site supervised but wont allow you to practise any trade or carry out any unsupervised work,

the next up is experianced worker and is valid for one year only and wont be renewed unless you are in continous assesment

the next up is qualified tradesman and has to be renewed bi annually by retaking the H&S test

then you have the gold card for supervisors and advanced craft tradesmen which is valid for five yrs but cant be renewed unless a H&S test has been taken in the previous two yrs

the platinum card has gone and management now have a black card

this is of 2010 , theres been a lot of changes this year, ive just renewed mine last week and was told of the changes

 

[marky]

Hi guys thankyou all for your feed back it all sounds like alot to take in,i will give it alot of thougth but am still thinking of getting out of it,but the decision is hard when thats all you know,but i am still smiling:smilewinkgrin:

 

[david campbell]

As long as you are going through asesment and can prove it they will let you on site. Most will let you on anyway.

not anymore,i done my cscs card before xmas brcause i was getting a bit of site work and no site will entertain you with out having the card,1 site wouldn't even let me on with the pass paper until they phoned for confirmation i sent away for the card!

it is really simple,just lots of H&S and i would recommend having it because you never know who will offer you work

 

[Gazzer]

not anymore,i done my cscs card before xmas brcause i was getting a bit of site work and no site will entertain you with out having the card,1 site wouldn't even let me on with the pass paper until they phoned for confirmation i sent away for the card!

it is really simple,just lots of H&S and i would recommend having it because you never know who will offer you work

Ahh must have changed over the weekend then because i work on lots of sites. Some are tighter than others but never been asked for anything more than my card.
In the same company i sub contract to now and again there are tilers without the card.....still working though.

 

[Andy Allen]

how do you stand if you sub contract to another tileing firm who already have the site work and they pay you not the site, do you still need h /s card , NVQ2 ect.

 

[Gazzer]

how do you stand if you sub contract to another tileing firm who already have the site work and they pay you not the site, do you still need h /s card , NVQ2 ect.

you will still be required to have a cscs card and NVQ2 or in the process of obtaining the NVQ2.....well thats the theory

 

[david campbell]

Ahh must have changed over the weekend then because i work on lots of sites. Some are tighter than others but never been asked for anything more than my card.
In the same company i sub contract to now and again there are tilers without the card.....still working though.

it must be a lot tighter in scotland neale,because if you have no card you don't get on site probably due to the lack of work up here

 

[Gazzer]

it must be a lot tighter in scotland neale,because if you have no card you don't get on site probably due to the lack of work up here

May be so, may be down to the building company. I know i was talking to a site agent recently and even he said "Its jobs for the boys" he also admitted to not knowing what was going on and that most of the other site agents were the same.
Personally i dont see the problem, a CSCS card is easy to obtain and the NVQ2 is too. What i do disagree with is that its us that have to pay a lot of money for a piece of paper.

 

[david campbell]

i totally agree mate,there is talk of a new scheme coming in to replace the cscs idea in 2014 and guess who will need to stump up the cash again for some piece of paper that literally means nothing?

yes........us! while the companies all pay for management we have to pay to work.......shocking:incazzato:

 

[mikethetile]

how do you stand if you sub contract to another tileing firm who already have the site work and they pay you not the site, do you still need h /s card , NVQ2 ect.

you must have a H&S card to work on site
in the past I havent had to show my card as they only need your cis card which has your ni number, they can use on the web to check if your H&S is valid
from this year you will have to physicaly produce your card at the induction

 

[Gazzer]

i totally agree mate,there is talk of a new scheme coming in to replace the cscs idea in 2014 and guess who will need to stump up the cash again for some piece of paper that literally means nothing?

yes........us! while the companies all pay for management we have to pay to work.......shocking:incazzato:

The same site agent was telling me of how many extra staff they have had to take on for all the Method statement, CSCS etc etc
I wonder where the money comes from to pay them.......by cutting our rates i bet.

 

[david campbell]

The same site agent was telling me of how many extra staff they have had to take on for all the Method statement, CSCS etc etc
I wonder where the money comes from to pay them.......by cutting our rates i bet.

if it was a bet it would be a racing cert:mad2:

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I have a gold supervisors CSCS , but I have heard some horror stories. eg labourers with experienced workers cards, and time served tilers given site operative cards.:yikes: I don't want to change the subject, but I would love to see the kind of regulation in our industry that is in place for example in Australia. License's for every trade, If you step out of line your license can be revoked. Just my little quirk perhaps?

 

[DHTiling]

I have a gold supervisors CSCS , but I have heard some horror stories. eg labourers with experienced workers cards, and time served tilers given site operative cards.:yikes: I don't want to change the subject, but I would love to see the kind of regulation in our industry that is in place in for example in Australia. License's for every trade, If you step out of line your license can be revoked. Just my little quirk perhaps?

Me too..

 

[White Room]

I take it this cscs and nvq 2 was sopposed to be in motion this year, sounds like another hash up

 

[Gazzer]

I have a gold supervisors CSCS , but I have heard some horror stories. eg labourers with experienced workers cards, and time served tilers given site operative cards.:yikes: I don't want to change the subject, but I would love to see the kind of regulation in our industry that is in place for example in Australia. License's for every trade, If you step out of line your license can be revoked. Just my little quirk perhaps?

yeah seen this too, one guy i have worked with recently passed his H&S test to obtain his CSCS card . When he called dthe number to get the card he was asked what card he wanted. He said he had been tiling for 20 years so they gave him the experienced card without asking for a NVQ2.

 

[Gazzer]

I have a gold supervisors CSCS , but I have heard some horror stories. eg labourers with experienced workers cards, and time served tilers given site operative cards.:yikes: I don't want to change the subject, but I would love to see the kind of regulation in our industry that is in place for example in Australia. License's for every trade, If you step out of line your license can be revoked. Just my little quirk perhaps?

Me too..

Indeed and cant see any other way for it to be sorted.

 

[mikethetile]

I have a gold supervisors CSCS , but I have heard some horror stories. eg labourers with experienced workers cards, and time served tilers given site operative cards.:yikes: I don't want to change the subject, but I would love to see the kind of regulation in our industry that is in place for example in Australia. License's for every trade, If you step out of line your license can be revoked. Just my little quirk perhaps?

I too have a gold card

I couldnt agree more and the sooner the better

 

[Peter]

First time we got our CSR (in NI) cards, the older boys in our squad got gold cards due to their age/time. Think the criteria was NVQL3 or x years in the trade.

 

[Dan]

I'm just bumping some of the tiling course & tiling training related threads. Ignore them if they're not current threads for you. They will drop back off the list in a week or so, and I don't do this much.

 

[Dan]

Has anything changes in the recent years to make things a bit tighter on site? Can you still get on without the NVQ?

 

[Diggy]

Worked on a site recently ( large builder ) and they don't use the CSCS system , instead opting for their own 'passport' . Which of course you have to sit through ANOTHER obligatory dvd on H&S to obtain.

Diggy