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Bodged Or Not? aqua-dec Shower Former Drain Issue
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White Room
Not seen one like that before, usually all four corners of the drain have a fall.
It's not unacceptable per se but it's unusual. I guess?
He's done the fall to the grout joint as a whole I assume? So then it runs into the drain from there?
If you're not happy, ask him to run it to the 4 corners before it's too late to rectify it.
What adhesive has been used and what's under the tiles?
He's done the fall to the grout joint as a whole I assume? So then it runs into the drain from there?
If you're not happy, ask him to run it to the 4 corners before it's too late to rectify it.
What adhesive has been used and what's under the tiles?
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Julia
Yes - this is what I'm thinking....
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Julia
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They shouldn't be there per se. I guess it's personal preference.
You usually find they fall to the corners. That's what nearly everybody would do. I can't see why the set out has been chosen that he's gone with. It's the same amount of cuts pretty much etc.
I'm wondering what the fall is in the former under the tiles or whatever? Perhaps that's stipulated the location of the fall in the tiles?
I might me talking out my arse though. The other lads are the professionals here I'm just the tea boy.
Perhaps something that should have been discussed before but it doesn't matter now.
If you're not happy worth it, get him that the tiles up. It shouldn't be too complicated to get a few up and not damaged the tray. Might take a while though.
And I guess go halves on the extra time cost? I don't think he's done wrong personally but maybe I'm wrong like I say.
I guess he's coming in the morning? Get him to get them up first thing.
If you're not happy worth it, get him that the tiles up. It shouldn't be too complicated to get a few up and not damaged the tray. Might take a while though.
And I guess go halves on the extra time cost? I don't think he's done wrong personally but maybe I'm wrong like I say.
I guess he's coming in the morning? Get him to get them up first thing.
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The D
if he has tiled on to a shower former the lines will go from the corners of the outlet and it will have the correct fall. if he has moved the lines the fall will be wrong so he need to re do the back three tiles to follow the fall in the former.
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Julia
Tiler is off site today but the builder / project manager who built and tanked the shower area said he had noticed the irregular cuts yesterday and spoke to the tiler who apparently was following the former lines exactly.
However, this morning, contacting the shower tray company revealed that you can indeed go "off former" to meet the corners of the grate without any issues.
The problem now it that its all gone off and they say that it may damage the tanking, waterproofing and even the tray if we take out the 3 back tiles meaning the whole build will have to be restarted.
The dilemma we now face is - do we get them to redo it. The issue I suspect is more aesthetic but I just can't unsee it now and have to weigh that up against the cost of it all going wrong.
Incidentally I felt absolutely terrible mentioning it this morning as they have done an amazing job, but the devil really is in the detail and had to do it as with all the money invested in this, I really wanted it to be perfect!
However, this morning, contacting the shower tray company revealed that you can indeed go "off former" to meet the corners of the grate without any issues.
The problem now it that its all gone off and they say that it may damage the tanking, waterproofing and even the tray if we take out the 3 back tiles meaning the whole build will have to be restarted.
The dilemma we now face is - do we get them to redo it. The issue I suspect is more aesthetic but I just can't unsee it now and have to weigh that up against the cost of it all going wrong.
Incidentally I felt absolutely terrible mentioning it this morning as they have done an amazing job, but the devil really is in the detail and had to do it as with all the money invested in this, I really wanted it to be perfect!
Oh okay so he did follow the former lines. So perhaps wasn't wrong at all then.
If it's your personal preference to have the lines in the corners (which would be my preference too) then perhaps just deal with the damage and get it done. But perhaps don't expect the tiler to do it FOC if he's not done wrong following the former.
If it's your personal preference to have the lines in the corners (which would be my preference too) then perhaps just deal with the damage and get it done. But perhaps don't expect the tiler to do it FOC if he's not done wrong following the former.
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Julia
FYI it's a Aqua dec shower tray with rotatable drain so I guess there are no solid former lines to follow as such - so I feel he definitely had some room to play with. The drain is off centre due to joist position but I do think he could a got a much cleaner look.
The former lines aren't rotatable though. I guess?
Do you have a link to the actual former?
I'm guessing whoever ordered the former knew what the layout was going to be like? Especially if they ordered one specifically to fit around the joist or whatever?
Who ordered the former?
Do you have a link to the actual former?
I'm guessing whoever ordered the former knew what the layout was going to be like? Especially if they ordered one specifically to fit around the joist or whatever?
Who ordered the former?
I think from what feedback I'm getting from the professional's on the forum, that the tiles should have met the corners of the drain as you (and I) would expect.
So unless there is a reason he's done it weird. Then perhaps he hasn't done it actually correct.
You could do with finding out why he's done it like that if you're about to tell him to re-do it which might cost him a new former and a day sorting it out! Perhaps the builder or somebody specified he did it like that?
So unless there is a reason he's done it weird. Then perhaps he hasn't done it actually correct.
You could do with finding out why he's done it like that if you're about to tell him to re-do it which might cost him a new former and a day sorting it out! Perhaps the builder or somebody specified he did it like that?
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Julia
What would be the best way of removing the 3 back tiles (a flexible bonding was used)?
I'm prepared to sit up all night and do it slowly and carefully if that's what it takes to get it looking and acting right.
I'm prepared to sit up all night and do it slowly and carefully if that's what it takes to get it looking and acting right.
Well done you.
A grinder I guess. You need to somehow smash the tile up gently. If that can happen. Break the tiles. Grind into them. If you have a depth guage on a grinder you want to use that and just grind strips down the tiles so they become lots of small parts of tile. Then just chisel them up, sort of.
It's going to be a maul. Not going to lie to you.
Then once you have got the tile up. A Fein Multimaster with a rough rasp on them would get the adhesive up. Might be worth the tiler doing this he should have the tools or access to them perhaps.
Hire shops might have some of of what you need.
A grinder I guess. You need to somehow smash the tile up gently. If that can happen. Break the tiles. Grind into them. If you have a depth guage on a grinder you want to use that and just grind strips down the tiles so they become lots of small parts of tile. Then just chisel them up, sort of.
It's going to be a maul. Not going to lie to you.
Then once you have got the tile up. A Fein Multimaster with a rough rasp on them would get the adhesive up. Might be worth the tiler doing this he should have the tools or access to them perhaps.
Hire shops might have some of of what you need.
That's the exact picture I was thinking of.
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Julia
We are really worried about damaging the wet proofing underneath - I don't mind the hard work of getting them out but ripping the whole lot out to re-do the wet proofing is pretty epic on the disaster front. Just wondering about using a travertine filler - do you think you could hide the wrong lines with that? Am I grasping at straws?
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Gazzer
Just take it up and get it done the way you are happy with. Never seen anyone do the falls this way before. I would be looking at that every time i had a shower.
Never mind if the taking needs redoing, you wont be happy with the way it is.
Never mind if the taking needs redoing, you wont be happy with the way it is.
I think we're making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
Hammer and chisel the back three tiles until you're back to the adhesive, then if needs be, he can skim the back of the new tiles going in there a little to take off some thickness to fit them in. It's not the end of the world. They're going to have a fall anyway.
Hammer and chisel the back three tiles until you're back to the adhesive, then if needs be, he can skim the back of the new tiles going in there a little to take off some thickness to fit them in. It's not the end of the world. They're going to have a fall anyway.
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I think it looks ok and so long as the water drains well I'd be happy with it. That said, its you that needs to be happy so if your not, definitely redo it. It's costing a lot too, so I'd want exactly what I wanted for that. Nice looking tiles by the way.
But I have to say, I think there be really hard to get off the tray without causing damage to the tray. That said, I've not handled these aqua trays before.
I think it looks ok and so long as the water drains well I'd be happy with it. That said, its you that needs to be happy so if your not, definitely redo it. It's costing a lot too, so I'd want exactly what I wanted for that. Nice looking tiles by the way.
But I have to say, I think there be really hard to get off the tray without causing damage to the tray. That said, I've not handled these aqua trays before.
If it's one of those things that would annoy you when you have a shower like @Sir Ramic says then it's a no brainier.
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