What do you think?

[tfs]

After reading comments on the Why do people do courses post, I feel that it is clear that many of us do the courses because we cant afford to take on a trainee role (even if we could get one). Some other eppear to do these courses as they want a taster.

Woudn't it be great if we had a source of funding?

Woudn't it be great if there was short term non payed placements palcements offered to wanna be tilers?

Do you think we could start a campaign to help people achieve this. What if we raised cash to put one lucky wanna be tiler through a tiling course. Well, I thinkj if some of us got together we could. Perhaps even in association with this forum. We could offer opportunities to apply for grants on a quarterly basis via this forum.

Each appliacant would apply through the forum, from here each applicant would be required to pay a small entry fee (just a few quide). Each applicant would be required to give a description of themseleves and why they need the grant, how it would help them, what they would plan to do after the course etc.

Upon recieving all applications,the vote would begin, all members of the forum would have the chance to vote (even charge for this, £1 or not). We could also give non members a chance to vote.

Once enough people have voted and the fees have been payed via paypal the cheque would be written and sent to the chosen tiling training centre on behalf of the winner. (the amount awarded depends on how many people have appied as this would contribute most to the course)

Secondly it would be great if some mebers where to volunteer as 'work placement officers'. Where guys in specific areas would give the opportunity to work for a few days to a week labouring to the placement officer. The person on placement would do so on a no pay basis giving them the opportunity to learn and also rewarding the tiler offering the placement by getting free labour through the duration of the placement.

Just some ideas, may not be feasable. I just thought it would be great if there were some sort of asistance to people lacking skills, knowledge and finances. (If only our government would as proactive)

What do you guys think?

Dan do you think this is something that could worek on this forum? (I think it could increase hits, new members etc)

regards

Kris

 

[Yorkie]

A Tiling Lottery!!!
tfs I thought I was the worst at spelling on here or are you on the beer:8: lol

 

[tfs]

I am just typing under the influence of inabilty to type half as fast as I think lol:8:
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That didn't even make sense:lol:
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Yes, atiling lottery!

do you think this could work?

 

[Yorkie]

Good idea but probably not, but I'll tell you what would work, how about this

Every ten people that want to do a course writes a business plan and stipulates why they want to enter the industry and then centres can judge the merits of each applicant and offer a 25% discount on the chosen course.
I will even pioneer the scheme by being the first.

We are soon (VERY SOON) due to be linked up with various college networks and will be listed on their course prospectus meaning funding will be in place on a tier system for students regardless of age. When this has been finalised I will place a post on here for all to see. We are even trying to get funding in place regardless of where you live in the country so for example if you live in the outer hebrides and we are linked up with Chichester college of Technology based in West sussex as long as you enrol through the college you will get funding. We have already had meetings with the college Directors and are hopefull this will be effective in the very near future so fingers crossed

 

[woodie]

After reading comments on the Why do people do courses post, I feel that it is clear that many of us do the courses because we cant afford to take on a trainee role (even if we could get one). Some other eppear to do these courses as they want a taster.

Woudn't it be great if we had a source of funding?

Woudn't it be great if there was short term non payed placements palcements offered to wanna be tilers?

Do you think we could start a campaign to help people achieve this. What if we raised cash to put one lucky wanna be tiler through a tiling course. Well, I thinkj if some of us got together we could. Perhaps even in association with this forum. We could offer opportunities to apply for grants on a quarterly basis via this forum.

Each appliacant would apply through the forum, from here each applicant would be required to pay a small entry fee (just a few quide). Each applicant would be required to give a description of themseleves and why they need the grant, how it would help them, what they would plan to do after the course etc.

Upon recieving all applications,the vote would begin, all members of the forum would have the chance to vote (even charge for this, £1 or not). We could also give non members a chance to vote.

Once enough people have voted and the fees have been payed via paypal the cheque would be written and sent to the chosen tiling training centre on behalf of the winner. (the amount awarded depends on how many people have appied as this would contribute most to the course)

Secondly it would be great if some mebers where to volunteer as 'work placement officers'. Where guys in specific areas would give the opportunity to work for a few days to a week labouring to the placement officer. The person on placement would do so on a no pay basis giving them the opportunity to learn and also rewarding the tiler offering the placement by getting free labour through the duration of the placement.

Just some ideas, may not be feasable. I just thought it would be great if there were some sort of asistance to people lacking skills, knowledge and finances. (If only our government would as proactive)

What do you guys think?

Dan do you think this is something that could worek on this forum? (I think it could increase hits, new members etc)

regards

Kris

you wanna be in politics or something m8:huh2: Mike...

 

[tfs]

Why would I want to be in politics?
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I just think there should be more help available to mature workers. There is always help for school leavers and even the unemployed (new deal etc).

It just seems to be so difficult when your willing to work and already in employment but there is no assistance. (you atually pay more when your employed)

I dont know enough to rant on about politics but, I know enough to say that that I am not entirely happy with the way my taxes are spent.

 

[woodie]

Why would I want to be in politics?
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I just think there should be more help available to mature workers. There is always help for school leavers and even the unemployed (new deal etc).

It just seems to be so difficult when your willing to work and already in employment but there is no assistance. (you atually pay more when your employed)

I dont know enough to rant on about politics but, I know enough to say that that I am not entirely happy with the way my taxes are spent.

thers too many wannabees out there and i've seen some of their work i'sorry to say but what i've seen is awful. i take pride in my work and these boys come along and slap some tiles on a wall and hey presto 'i'm a tiler'..Mike

 

[Yorkie]

No, I total agree I think its a fantastic idea but one thats obviously not going to materialise due to the problomatic nature of keeping control of events but I do agree that something can be done as mentioned in my previous post.
Fair play tfs for considering others and their situations not many people would

 

[Yorkie]

thers too many wannabees out there and i've seen some of their work i'sorry to say but what i've seen is awful. i take pride in my work and these boys come along and slap some tiles on a wall and hey presto 'i'm a tiler'..Mike

Sorry can't see the relevance here?

 

[tfs]

I absolutly agree with you there mate.

I however am one of the many people who also take great pride in whatever they choose to do and I would not be happy unless I left a job, not only believing that I did it to the best of my abilty but, also to an exceptional standard.

I can do basic jobs to a good standard but, there is so much that I do not know about the trade. I think I could be great tiler if given the chane to learn, and I realy want to. My barriers are my age and also finding the cash to get all the training I can.

So, I thought that if there was some tyope of funding available and schemes to bring dodgy or willing but, unknowledgable tilers uop to a decent standadr then that would be better for everyone (customer, the tiler and the trade reputation)

Are you unhappy with people entering the trade without qualifications or tarining?

Or is it just the bums that take it on to earn a buck, but not to understand that doing it right is more important?

kris

 

[woodie]

Hi Kris i'm also a mature person who's had plenty of experience in the trade but there is still stuff i could and would like to learn the thought of having a little monetary help in the matter would be great my only real concern is the clowns out ther who think they can tile but can't and it does tend to give us a bad reputation Mike

 

[tfs]

Woodie,

I mean no disrespect but, I looked at your profile and you mentioned that you learnt the trade by doing a course. If this is the case then you too were once a wannabe tiler.

Again I mean no disrespect I am just trying to help you see this from another perspective but, these people myslef inlcuded are at a stage, the same stage you were in when you first enetered this trade. Just put yourself in there shoes, remeber how you felt and what your aspirations were when you done this 5 years ago.

kris

 

[woodie]

hi yes i did do a short course on tiling but that was only to get some credit to my name so i could start with a firm in swanseas called taylor tiles which is where i was taught properly by an experienced and very good tradesman Mike

 

[tfs]

Sorry I worte that before I got your response. I agree but, many of those guys just go for it without seeking the opportunity to learn 9this is clear by theier standards). Im currently on a one year course at college and I can see the guys that arn't interested and I think that by doing the course they are beginning to realise that this is not for them. The tutors usually notice this too.

We both have very vaild points.

Opinions asside, do you think a source of funding or assistnace would be a good idea?

 

[woodie]

why can't you see the relevance? how long are the courses you provide, how much experience do these guys gain and whos to say they carry on doing a good job after you've trained them to? Mike

sorry, this is to diamond training

 

[woodie]

Hi Kris
yep mate i do think some sort of funding would be very helpful I know i've had to spend a small fortune to get all my tools and equipment together and it's not finished yet i've now got to pay out about 500-600quid to get my work assessed for my CSCS card Mike

 

[tfs]

Woodie,

You did a course, what at that time who at that time could have said your do a good job afterwards. People just need to be given achance.

You just need to put yourself in their shoes. We cant rule people out just based by our own judgements.

What eveidnce is there to suggest they wont do a good job afterwards.

From what I have gathered you went on to do a good job.


Just as in your case, people will use the training as a stepping stone on to better things

kris

 

[woodie]

Kris
i just think that some form of on site assessment should take place for a number of months after the completion of their course to make sure they continue to carry out a good job and if these tutors can see that some people don't seem to be interested in doing the job for other reasons than the cash maybe the should have a little chat with them to see if they can find something else to do
Mike

 

[woodie]

hello kris
you back on here like me mate i must admit i've enjoyed a little chat
Mike

 

[tfs]

Yes,

But, Im just off to bed now though as I am working tommorrow Ive got a kitchen and bthroom floor to finnish off.

goodnight matey!

 

[Yorkie]

why can't you see the relevance? how long are the courses you provide, how much experience do these guys gain and whos to say they carry on doing a good job after you've trained them to? Mike

sorry, this is to diamond training

The courses we provide run upto 6 weeks incorporating the majority of problems/situtaions that a new Tiler will come across.The experience these guys gain is over 300 hours hands on training, the equivilant to attending a full time college course and no one can say if there going to carry on doing a good job afterwards just as no driving examiner can say that everyone he passes will keep a clean record.

 

[Leatherface]

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lol :joker: :joker:

p.s

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they do great deals on insurance !!!

 

[brian c]

The courses we provide run upto 6 weeks incorporating the majority of problems/situtaions that a new Tiler will come across.The experience these guys gain is over 300 hours hands on training, the equivilant to attending a full time college course and no one can say if there going to carry on doing a good job afterwards just as no driving examiner can say that everyone he passes will keep a clean record.

This is on paper a good idea trying to help other people gain experience etc but it does have many grey areas and here is my opinion of a few

1.who is this set up for,British nationals only or open to immigrants?

2.a committe would need to be formed.

3.you are giving other people the opportunity to provide competition for your work.

4.who is going to pay for the persons tools(NOT THEM BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD THE PRICE OF THE COURSE)

I know not all will agree with me but i feel that these issues had to be raised and feel free to comment on them.


In addition who is going to pay for the digs and the persons travelling expenses etc if they have to travel?

 

[Yorkie]

I agree with you completley brian which is why tbh it will never happen unless said applicants are contracted to a certain business / organisation for a certain timeframe etc but what business would employ these people as that in itself raises issues as the business would then need to have due diligence in place for protection of interests to state that should employment cease they can no longer operate within a certain area for specific time frames which then leads back to the original starting question of why go on a course when you can work for a tiler
Catch 22

 

[Yorkie]

This is on paper a good idea trying to help other people gain experience etc but it does have many grey areas and here is my opinion of a few

1.who is this set up for,British nationals only or open to immigrants?

It would need to be open to all

2.a committe would need to be formed.

Couldn't agree more

3.you are giving other people the opportunity to provide competition for your work.

Conflict of interest always plays a part so would screening be fair?This would depend on who's on the commitee?

4.who is going to pay for the persons tools(NOT THEM BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD THE PRICE OF THE COURSE)
This could be the training centre that agrees to train with some kind of scheme in place or again the business that they are contracted to?

I know not all will agree with me but i feel that these issues had to be raised and feel free to comment on them.


In addition who is going to pay for the digs and the persons travelling expenses etc if they have to travel?

it would be a lot of work lol

 

[Dan]

Thanks all for thinking about things like this but as a forum we're here to provide free tiling advice - The tiling courses thing is just to help those that are looking into courses.

I wouldn't want a 'winner' as there would be many more 'loosers' and that's not what we're about.

There are loads of funds available for the right new business - and the right tiler wanna-be already and we're certainy not one of them.

I agree, you could make anything work, but to do such a thing would simply stick us in the already shaken up training game which is getting better by the month without our help.

So for the moment (as the dragons would say) I'm out.
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To add to this some info on funding has been provided by Ant from Chase Tiling Academy in THIS forum.