Tling over old tile adhesive
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The D
How does what I said make you come out with that sort of rubbish???? I never said you was a sad *** internet warrior read my post againand then wind your neck in
Martyn Leeds
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I'm not sure it makes any difference who says who said what.
We all know how to do basic prep to a bathroom floor.
Facts are:
1) Floor has failed
2) OP reckons its only the adhesive to fault. But both he and we all know 6mm ply isn't correct, and isn't helping.
3) A flooring pro - but not a tiler is doing the prep and the tiling.
but more concerning for me is
The practical experience that is wanted is only for if and how much adhesive to scrape from the 6mm ply?
So IMHO, its someone earning a dollar doing a job they shouldn't really be doing. Maybe at the expense of a good quality tiler who lives round the corner, but is struggling to find work, for whatever reasons it could be.
I might be totally wrong though!
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
If I could just put my two penny worth in here, I wonder how many people on this forum know who Deano is?
I don't want to embarrass Dean, but I feel he is not receiving the respect he deserves, the respect he has earned over many years in this industry.
Dean is a time served tiler (a master craftsman) imo, he was a lecturer at south Birmingham College for seven years.
He is currently a consultant for City & Guilds criteria. At the same time being a very sought after tiler running his own business.
This guy is the real deal, having won jotm comp, and joty title, I would never argue with Dean.
I respect him as a great tiler and a all round good guy, so I think unless you can match Dean's qualifications, I would be tempted to keep quiet until you feel you may know more about tiling than he does. Just want to set the record straight.
We can all be tiling superstars on forums, think about it.
I don't want to embarrass Dean, but I feel he is not receiving the respect he deserves, the respect he has earned over many years in this industry.
Dean is a time served tiler (a master craftsman) imo, he was a lecturer at south Birmingham College for seven years.
He is currently a consultant for City & Guilds criteria. At the same time being a very sought after tiler running his own business.
This guy is the real deal, having won jotm comp, and joty title, I would never argue with Dean.
I respect him as a great tiler and a all round good guy, so I think unless you can match Dean's qualifications, I would be tempted to keep quiet until you feel you may know more about tiling than he does. Just want to set the record straight.
We can all be tiling superstars on forums, think about it.
This has all got a little out of hand!?! I wasn't accusing you of saying anything Deano. In fact, I don't even know if your comments were directed at me personally!?! What I was saying, was that I don't have a problem with you having an opinion. I don't get all stressed and argumentative over a post on a forum. It wasn't meant as an attack on you, but if that's how it came across, I apologise mate. 😉
Nobody's arguing with Dean!?! And your post, although interesting, wouldn't be relevant anyway, as I certainly wasn't disagreeing with him on tiling method!?!
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
My post was not getting at you mate, I just wanted to let people know who Dean is.
i hope my posts are relevant, or am I wasting my time?
Ah fair enough.. Seems to be an evening of misunderstandings lol!
and your posts are always relevant Phil, my bad. 😉
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Gazzer
Sometimes you can read something here and see it as one way or another, Thats the trouble with text.
As for 6mm ply, its wrong , completely wrong but sometimes clients dont want to hear that....." The man in the tile shop/Diy store said it was ok " What does the tiler know over a member of sales staff/Builder/plumber/next doors dog etc ??? I could go on :mad2:
As for 6mm ply, its wrong , completely wrong but sometimes clients dont want to hear that....." The man in the tile shop/Diy store said it was ok " What does the tiler know over a member of sales staff/Builder/plumber/next doors dog etc ??? I could go on :mad2:
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Stef
& here I thought Dean had learned off of a weeks training course & was just starting out!!
no, that was me 5 years ago lol!
hear,hear !
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White Room
Times I've had argue my case against advise from a spotty oik working a diy centre....
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rich hand
Ok, rather than answer all new comments I will try and answer all here. The main reasons that the customer is happy to go with the existing floor at present:
BAL have stated that the adhesive can be used direct on floor board so therefore it is possible we can get away with 6mm ply if the old adhesive was the problem. (the customer does know I have advised to replace with 150mm ply to be safe).
The ply that is down does seem solid, screwed all over with no deflection. Any flexibility does appear to be in the joists.
The job is being done as a favor so costing them very little. They would prefer this right now and then happier to remove the bathroom suite next year.
I will certainly report back whether the Fastflex worked on this situation and thanks for the help!
BAL have stated that the adhesive can be used direct on floor board so therefore it is possible we can get away with 6mm ply if the old adhesive was the problem. (the customer does know I have advised to replace with 150mm ply to be safe).
The ply that is down does seem solid, screwed all over with no deflection. Any flexibility does appear to be in the joists.
The job is being done as a favor so costing them very little. They would prefer this right now and then happier to remove the bathroom suite next year.
I will certainly report back whether the Fastflex worked on this situation and thanks for the help!
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Gazzer
Ask BAL about the 6mm ply and see what their answer is !
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The D
And I suppose 2+2=5 why do you have to take the suite outcan you not just cut the ply and remove it from the main floor then replacewith 6mm tile backer boards you seem to be making this harder than it is. You askedfor true” practical experience on this matter.” And you have had it but youstill will not do it correctly so hear is the advice you want just tile on tothe old adhesive its ok you do not need to take it up and the 6mm ply will befine. Happy now ???????????????
Thanks to Dan for highlighting this post in his newsletter... its certainly a decent thread.
What I don't get is "Why post on here for advice if you are not prepared to accept the advice you are given?" I have seen that repeatedly in this forum. Dean and some of the other experts are blunt but frankly if they post advice I would accept it even if I did not entirely agree with it or want to comply with their advice.
My (limited) experience is that when they say its best to do something in a certain way I eventually discover (through my own work) that they are right. If you don't follow their advice the risk is all yours.
What I don't get is "Why post on here for advice if you are not prepared to accept the advice you are given?" I have seen that repeatedly in this forum. Dean and some of the other experts are blunt but frankly if they post advice I would accept it even if I did not entirely agree with it or want to comply with their advice.
My (limited) experience is that when they say its best to do something in a certain way I eventually discover (through my own work) that they are right. If you don't follow their advice the risk is all yours.
150 mm ply ? wow that's pretty thick ply,that will take some cutting.
Ive allways found fast flex to be an excellent adhesive. How did it fail. If you don't mind me asking.
The fastflex was stuck to the tiles but came clean away from the grp leaving a reddish stain on the adhesive ,I had a Bal tech guy come to the job and we both fixed a few tiles and we left them for a week and these too came away clean but the report blamed my fixing method what got me was the bal guy's fixing method was the same,so have not used it since and will never use it again.
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tomo13
The best advice I would ever give anybody is, that if you ever specify something that is needed and the customer says no, then I walk away. I live in a small town and cannot afford to risk my reputation because someone thinks they know better. I would rather lose a job than tile on 6mm ply. That's just my opinion.
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rich hand
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One month on the floor is solid with no cracking. I suspect this is how it will last but I will update after 6 months.
One month on the floor is solid with no cracking. I suspect this is how it will last but I will update after 6 months.
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Mr Tiler
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fairplay mate. theres a reason the grout was cracking though most likely in my opinion bounce in the floor but not sufficient enough to make the tile go 'POP' it is likely to happen again in time if all you did was remove tiles and replace with flexy adhesive but who knows...
fairplay mate. theres a reason the grout was cracking though most likely in my opinion bounce in the floor but not sufficient enough to make the tile go 'POP' it is likely to happen again in time if all you did was remove tiles and replace with flexy adhesive but who knows...
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rich hand
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I would say the bounce is pretty limited, more the problem would be the crap adhesive and the application used by the last tiler than the floor or even the ply. To add, the ply issue is often misunderstood, although BAL state 15mm (if ply is to be used) they also state that Single part Fastflex is suitable for bare floorboards.
I would say the bounce is pretty limited, more the problem would be the crap adhesive and the application used by the last tiler than the floor or even the ply. To add, the ply issue is often misunderstood, although BAL state 15mm (if ply is to be used) they also state that Single part Fastflex is suitable for bare floorboards.
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rich hand
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I know this is old news now but I will quickly answer the question. The advice that was given was not in relation to my specific question and was not suitable. The issue was never to do the job "textbook" but to experiment and see what we could find adequate for a year or 2 with as little effort as possible. This job was a quick trial whilst performing a much bigger job elsewhere on the property. The floor in question will be ripped up eventually. The textbook limits our ability to learn.
I know this is old news now but I will quickly answer the question. The advice that was given was not in relation to my specific question and was not suitable. The issue was never to do the job "textbook" but to experiment and see what we could find adequate for a year or 2 with as little effort as possible. This job was a quick trial whilst performing a much bigger job elsewhere on the property. The floor in question will be ripped up eventually. The textbook limits our ability to learn.
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
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Make that 15mm min, 150mm could give you issues in the door ways, I would like to see how far Bal would run when you have a failure on T&G floorboards, to quote a firm I respect, "information before a job, = education",
" information after= an excuse".
Wise words. From a very good company with a good work ethic. Please do the job right, think of your client, think of your reputation.
Make that 15mm min, 150mm could give you issues in the door ways, I would like to see how far Bal would run when you have a failure on T&G floorboards, to quote a firm I respect, "information before a job, = education",
" information after= an excuse".
Wise words. From a very good company with a good work ethic. Please do the job right, think of your client, think of your reputation.
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White Room
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The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP
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Mark you may see that quote for yourself shortly, a very inspiring quote I think.
That is so true
Mark you may see that quote for yourself shortly, a very inspiring quote I think.
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rich hand
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Why be so negative..Information after is learning! And as for the client, he is extremely well educated and certainly understood what he was thinking.
Why be so negative..Information after is learning! And as for the client, he is extremely well educated and certainly understood what he was thinking.
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