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and you passed ??

I sure did,with distinction.year one we were with plastering group doing a bit of render,screed,skim...year two was tile basicly their was a syllabus to work to and it wasn't testing.we had a bay had to do a star pattern,a wave and an arch with diamond infill ,plus tile the floor.way too much unessential classroom learning,about other trade procedures,such as scaffold etc.basicly health and safety.it wasn't the colleges fault they were just working to a script.i left feeling more confident about rendering, skimming. It is basicly a trade you have to learn on the job.,it can not be replicated in college.
 
I sure did,with distinction.year one we were with plastering group doing a bit of render,screed,skim...year two was tile basicly their was a syllabus to work to and it wasn't testing.we had a bay had to do a star pattern,a wave and an arch with diamond infill ,plus tile the floor.way too much unessential classroom learning,about other trade procedures,such as scaffold etc.basicly health and safety.it wasn't the colleges fault they were just working to a script.i left feeling more confident about rendering, skimming. It is basicly a trade you have to learn on the job.,it can not be replicated in college.

That's good they gave a understanding of plastering I think, because I find doing my own bonding filling skimming handy instead of waiting for someone else and also I know it's flat.
 
Yeah,I think they only started to do it shortly before my course,it was good and I can defo see how it would be handy...I think my problem is being on here you read posts on all sorts of issues,and think... I didn't cover this,tiling is seriously involved.ufh,stone treatment,different substrates,the list is endless.been a while since course and gave up trying to get an employer...but going to give it another crack
 
Not a plasterer myself but I'd strongly believe the knowledge and insight into plastering makes for a better tiler than say a brickie or a joiner. An opinion might I add and I know not everyone will agree lol, tbut I'm speaking from 25 odd years of being around sites and various converts to tiling.
 
I sure did,with distinction.year one we were with plastering group doing a bit of render,screed,skim...year two was tile basicly their was a syllabus to work to and it wasn't testing.we had a bay had to do a star pattern,a wave and an arch with diamond infill ,plus tile the floor.way too much unessential classroom learning,about other trade procedures,such as scaffold etc.basicly health and safety.it wasn't the colleges fault they were just working to a script.i left feeling more confident about rendering, skimming. It is basicly a trade you have to learn on the job.,it can not be replicated in college.
Ok so you got a distinction but you admit you don’t have aclue when it comes to quoting for work. So how did you get a distinction as part of the diploma is Knowledge of information, quantities and communicatingwith others
Unit Reference Number H/501/7313
Learning Outcome - The learner will: Assessment Criterion - The learner can:
1
Know how to interpret building information.
1.1
State why documentation must be looked after and storedcorrectly.
1.2
Identify basic symbols from working drawings.
1.3
Identify the appropriate scale to be used with a range ofdrawings.
1.4
Select information from basic location drawings andspecifications.
1.5
Select information from basic work schedules in general use.
2
Know how to determine quantities of materials.
2.1
State the methods used to calculate basic materialquantities.
3
Know how to relay information in the workplace.
3.1
List the basic requirements for recording a message.
3.2
State the relevant information used to ensure thatcommunication is clear and understandable.
3.3
State what is meant by positive and negative communication.
3.4
State the benefits of clear and effective communication.

This is the Knowledge you should have and this is level 1



Information, quantities and communicating with others
Learning Outcome - The learner will: Assessment Criterion - The learner can:
1
Be able to interpret building information.
1.1
Use basic working drawings to interpret buildinginformation.
1.2
Use basic generic types of programmes of work and workschedules that are in general use.
1.3
Prepare basic outline drawings to scale.
1.4
Use a scale ruler for transferring simple measurements.
2
Be able to determine quantities of materials.
2.1
Select appropriate resources to work out calculations.
2.2
Calculate the area of basic shapes.
2.3
Use addition, subtraction, multiplication and division toestimate material quantities.
3
Be able to relay information in the workplace.
3.1
Communicate effectively with colleagues and others whenrelaying information.
3.2
Use a range of communication methods when relayinginformation to colleagues and others.
3.3
State what is meant by positive and negative communication.
3.4
State the benefits of clear and effective communication.

These are the tasks you should be able to perform and for a distinction I would expect you to do it standing on your head.

It winds me up when people have a pop at the qualificationsand then say but it’s not the colleges or the lecturer’s fault they are toldwhat to say. Well they are not they are given the unit broken down as above andthey decide on a lesson plan. If the content of the lesson is rubbish and you don’tlearn anything from it or if it is irrelevant that is down to the lecturer notthe qualification so IMHO if you did not cover the criteria and you got adistinction your lecturer was not only incompetent he was also corrupt.
 
Basicly it's like this we did a computer test which I aced, it wasn't really about tiling as such.some questions where totally irrelevant.I didn't want to slag of the tutor but yeah It was poor but I've got nothing to compare it too,maybe I was unlucky
 
Got one certificate for computer test and another for the practical parts. I'm still glad I did it because at least know I have a passion to want to tile,where as before my life had no direction what so ever
 
By the way all the above is in the level 1 C Skills diploma andthat is what you have the C&G diploma was only written last year and hasonly been running a few months.
 
The very top it says construction awards alliance and underneath is a c&g logo and a c skills awards logo
 
From what I gather the course name changes quite regularly,are you the guy who used to be a tutor then.i take it you were very hands on with you're teaching,my guy wasn't,it was government funded but if I'd of paid,would of been miffed
 
i dont quite understand this deano. Are you saying that the tutor on rich 83 course would be responsible for giving him a distinction. is that how it works ??
I did not take any tiling course although my i did send my foreman when he started for me many years ago on citb vauxhall school of building tiling course .
i did once do city and guild i think carpentry and i was aghast that my tutor chose the best practical works ie window frame for appraisal by some inspector and this seemed to go towards all our marks.( i would comfortably have put myself in bottom 10% for practical)
similar on theory which i was best at and totally alien to anything i done at o level and a level where it was only my own efforts that were marked and gave me a grade good or bad.
is a lecturer now responsible for making a decision about who passes or not and to what degree!!
if this is the case I am sure that most lecturers would be honest but it leaves the option for others to give good marks/passes to keep their profile and achievement high to ensure ongoing employment for themsleves .
i would be grateful if you could explain to us how this system works now as I am very serious about taking on two young lads this year when I will need to grow my business after my knee replacement .
My ideas to date was to visit my nearest tiling course centre and see the lecturer, put forward what i could offer a young trainee taking a proper tiling course and see if he thought i would be suitable as a future employer for two of his students and for me to get a feeling from him about who might best be suited for my business.
 
What do you need these courses for?

I've nowt in tiling.
In Plastering I'm city and guilds up to my gonads ,BUT I've never ever been asked for my quals anywhere ,and also been told my city and guilds are not worth the paper they are written on ,mind you I ain't seen them since I was 20 🙂

Or am I barking up the completely wrong tree 🙂
 
i dont quite understand this deano. Are you saying that the tutor on rich 83 course would be responsible for giving him a distinction. is that how it works ??
I did not take any tiling course although my i did send my foreman when he started for me many years ago on citb vauxhall school of building tiling course .
i did once do city and guild i think carpentry and i was aghast that my tutor chose the best practical works ie window frame for appraisal by some inspector and this seemed to go towards all our marks.( i would comfortably have put myself in bottom 10% for practical)
similar on theory which i was best at and totally alien to anything i done at o level and a level where it was only my own efforts that were marked and gave me a grade good or bad.
is a lecturer now responsible for making a decision about who passes or not and to what degree!!
if this is the case I am sure that most lecturers would be honest but it leaves the option for others to give good marks/passes to keep their profile and achievement high to ensure ongoing employment for themsleves .
i would be grateful if you could explain to us how this system works now as I am very serious about taking on two young lads this year when I will need to grow my business after my knee replacement .
My ideas to date was to visit my nearest tiling course centre and see the lecturer, put forward what i could offer a young trainee taking a proper tiling course and see if he thought i would be suitable as a future employer for two of his students and for me to get a feeling from him about who might best be suited for my business.
That is a long story but to answer your main question yes aslong as the lecturer is a qualified assessor or his distinction was on the online test
 
think some of your reply is missing in response.
i am sure i am not seeing your whole post.
not sure whether my story too long which it usually is !!
or story too long to explain how the marking/issuing passes/distinctiions carried out .
but i can tell you dean, that i know you are totally passionate about what you are doing now .
if you were a lecturer on a course near me i would be delighted to come and see you and i hope in turn , you to meet me as a future employer of a student of yours.
but if i did not know the lecturer , if the process was that lecturer gave the grade i would be walking in to meeting wondering whether the lectuer is genuinely trying to help his best pupil in to a trade or trading himself high for his own gain .
 
Yes ,the online test is where the distinction came from,although I would say I did the best work out of us all... obviously 🙂 jonnyc I think I was a bit unlucky by the sounds of it other tutors give more.
 
I think for site work Nvq is needed so the college is good as can't get Nvq without the diploma,well not unless you're a long serving tradesman anyway they'll learn loads while on the job,the college and on the job is what everyone should have.
 
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Sorry m8 I meant my reply would be toooooooo long but I willtry and make it short
The qual is split in to units and the lecturer will structure the training to hit the assessment criteria in the unit. The same for classroom lessons they will design a lesson plan to cover the questions in the job knowledge paper or online test.
Every lecturer will do their own lesson plan so if there are several lecturers in a college you may get a good one or a bad one.
It is common for the lecturer to assess the students but the college will have an internal verifier to keep an eye on things. There is also an external verifier that can come in and sample the folders and look at the assessment procedure.
 
ok getting the feeling of how it works.
but who makes the ultimate decision ,
seems like it is still the lecturer who makes the finite decision albeit with some input from outside
verifiers (adjudicators)
 
ok.
interesting.
what is your take on this
If they sick to the qualification and follow the assessment process there is no problem but there is quite often a problem and it is the trade that suffers and the integrity of the qual is diminished with every person that that has a level 2 but is not capable.
 
If they sick to the qualification and follow the assessment process there is no problem but there is quite often a problem and it is the trade that suffers and the integrity of the qual is diminished with every person that that has a level 2 but is not capable.

I agree,although I did learn certain aspects.the college didn't allow us to use wet cutters,angle grinders,and their was a lack of supplies.there's so much that can't be taught such as uf heating,working with material other than ceramic, installing ply,insulation,sealing,loads more.
 

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