job on books

[nybor62]

i got offered a full time job yesterday with a local tiling company ,
this is the package they offered me

a new toyota haice van
fuel card
all lodge paid when away
£15 a day towards living when away
a salary of £20,000
4 weeks paid holidays

what do you think, personally i would like a bonus incentive . of say £1 m2 at least
would like your thoughts

they will review the wage after 4 months

 

[Gazzer]

Have they said what they expect from you for that ?

 

[Bubblecraft]

That's an ok deal if targets are achievable & if you are happy to work for someone else. You need to see what works out better for you. Is this a better deal than your Net Profit over the past 3 years or would you find it a better way of life being able to finish at a set time, being able to switch off, know when your getting paid, who's paying you & how your being paid.

There's no money in the world that would make me work for someone else no matter how quiet I got. Being self employed drives me.

 

[Andy Allen]

is that before tax..? will you get taxed more because of the van..?

if you brake it down 20 gran a year is £1666 a month or £416 a week or £83 a day, after tax its not alot, but it depends how hard the work is and how much you need to live on..

 

[nybor62]

there are no targets , its a 43 hr week, saying that they do quite a bit of shop fitting work , and as you all know , that usually means 12 hr shifts, so what they say is , if you work over your hrs you will get days of in lieu.
the salary is before tax, and i never thought about extra tax for having a van
i will ring my accountant about that,
they will also get me an apprentice to train up

 

[Andy Allen]

imo a skilled tiler like yourself is worth more than that, having said that you could get your foot in the door and that may open up a whole new world of opportunities, who knows, in a years time you could be running the place on 40 k a year, if you got nowt to loose then it may be worth ago, better than thinking 'what if' in six months time..

 

[John Benton]

First thing Rob, you need to find out how much work they have got on. If it's only a couple of months but they're short of staff for the contracts they have, watch out. You may not be there for too long.

With the van I'm pretty sure that if it is only used for work then you don't pay tax i.e. you pick it up first thing on a morning and drop it off at night, using your own vehicle to and from your place of work. Your accountant should be able to tell you.

I was getting £15 a night food allowance 27 years ago and £25 when I was abroad, but you should be ok with that.

Not sure if I like the time off in lieu, that don't pay the bills, but if that's their policy, then it's something you'd have to go with.

Andy is right, when you break it down, £83 a day before tax, isn't going to make you a rich man, but if you're slow on work yourself then £83 looks a better bet than £0.

Regarding taking an apprentice on to train up, then you should be compensated for this, so I would negotiate on that matter. You are using your skills and passing them on and that is good value to the company in itself.

Again like Andy says, it could open doors for you, and with your knees, you might be stood up telling people what to do in a few months.

If you take it, then I would be looking at how they run the business as well as the staff they employ, you may be able to make improvements and who knows where that could lead to.

Either way, good luck Rob. Never regret the things you do, only the things you don't do!

 

[Deleted member 9966]

and don't forget, if they are employing you, you're entitled to 5.6 weeks holiday per annum or 28 days (20 days + 8 bank holidays) under the european working time directive. don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

 

[nybor62]

im going to see if i can negotiate a productivity bonus ,based on amount off m2 i fix

 

[Bubblecraft]

That sounds a good idea Rob. Fingers crossed

 

[DHTiling]

A job is a job... If you have no work on and need this job then IMO you have to do what keeps you working.. no brainer really..

Yes the money is poo but you have to live..

Also the job could open up some new contacts for future reference..

 

[kilty55]

in all honesty considering we all know what the rates are like atm i think its a good deal nybor


i dont know any companies who would be willing to give a brand new van,pay for fuel,proper wage and holidays plus money for being away

the money may not be what your used to being self employed though

 

[nybor62]

i get to take the van home ,and keep over the weekends , and they have no probs if i use van to do my own work at weekends , as long as im not travelling to far

 

[Gazzer]

Not sure for that money with even a van, fuel card and holiday I would do it. Unless you enjoy working away ? I dont anymore. But as said a job is a job.

 

[Deleted member 9966]

You'll have to pay company car tax on the van if you have it overnight and at weekends, but most job need vehicles like this (my neighbour works for British Gas) only incur a minimal amount of tax. I think it used to be about £50 a month but your accountant will know a more accurate figure. So out of your gross earnings you'll have to pay income tax, national insurance contributions, co car tax and depending on the size of the organisation, you are likely to be auto-enrolled into a company pension that you will have to request to opt out of if you don't want to do it.

 

[nybor62]

Not sure for that money with even a van, fuel card and holiday I would do it. Unless you enjoy working away ? I dont anymore. But as said a job is a job.

a lot of there work is also local to me
they have just rang me and agreed to a £1.00 m2 bonus , to be reviewed again after 4 months , so thats a step forward

 

[Deleted member 9966]

a lot of there work is also local to me
they have just rang me and agreed to a £1.00 m2 bonus , to be reviewed again after 4 months , so thats a step forward

get it in writing, preferably as part of your contract of employment. otherwise they might easily go back on their word.

 

[Gazzer]

Well there is only you that knows what you need to earn to cover your bills , lifestyle etc. If you can do your own work inbetween then thats a bonus too but dont knock yourself about in the process.
I guess some people would kill for that opportunity , only you know your worth.
All the best

Paid holidays ?? what is that ? :mad2:

 

[nybor62]

get it in writing, preferably as part of your contract of employment. otherwise they might easily go back on their word.

it will be written into my contract, which i will go over with a fine tooth comb

 

[Aston]

if i were you rob, id give it a go.
whats the worst that can happen? if its not what you hoped for then you can leave.
its easier to leave a job than it is to start one these days so i think you are in a nice position to suck it and see ;0)

all the best mate

 

[nybor62]

suck it and see , i use that saying all the time , and yes your right ,
hows the pool getting on lmao

 

[Aston]

suck it and see , i use that saying all the time , and yes your right ,
hows the pool getting on lmao

oh you know, same old same old.
if were just had 4 more players bla bla bla....
if only we'd done this, done that, signed him, give rafa the money kenny had .......the list goes on lol

 

[bugs183]

Hey Nybor!
I've just shown my old man your post, he's been tiling for 50 odd years and i've been 20+, and we both came to the same opinions really...

You really need to know how much you need to live on a week, do you have a family to support, mortgage etc? It's not mega money so if you need a good chunk to survive then maybe your not going to earn enough. If you were single and not up to your eyeballs in debt etc then you could get by. (these are only examples as i know nothing about your personal situation.

To be driving about in a new van with a fuel card already saves you the cost of buying and running a vehicle, and filling it up can knock a huge hole out of a weeks finances.

As Sir says paid holidays!!! That doesn't happen if you're self employed, and that too is an advantage.
I'm sure if you want too there will be oppertunities as the lads say to climb the ladder, plus if you want i'm sure there will be overtime, or if you're super keen the chance to keep some of your own jobs going at the weekend.
You'll have someone else handling all the money and job quoting, plus weekends off, sometimes being self employed if you get a weekend off, you can actually feel guilty as you are not a work and your work mind is telling you you should be working!! I tell that to my employed mates and NONE of them understand that, any of the guys here will understand that one!!
But i dunno if your self employed or not and that does give you freedom, and as the guys say, you set your wage and you earn all of it.

So it down to you, but it's a great offer considering the climate all the same..
Good luck

 

[nybor62]

latest update , ive jacked
nearly lasted a week lol, sent me on social housing in northampton , over 200 miles a day , leaving house at 6 am getting back in at 6pm
tiled 3 kitchens yesterday , in the most minging houses i have ever been in , 1 tennant drinking carlsberg super strength and smoking and it was'nt **** either
so i rang them and told them this aint for me
im daft not stupid

 

[Colour Republic]

12 hours a day for 20k a year!!!! Sounds just like being self employed actually :lol:

you have to enjoy what you do and tiling **** holes isn't it, when I first started out I did a lot of work for tight arse slum landlords, very depressing, didnt get paid a lot, working round dirty houses and what effort you did put in was trashed within weeks of you leaving. Not for me.


its nice to have been offered a job but for 20k there are plenty of other jobs you can do where you don't have to supply your own tools, you don't have to travel 200 miles and you really can start at 9 and switch off at 5 without any hint of guilt.

 

[peteablard]

Sorry to hear that Rob but at least you gave it a try, better to do that and it not work out than always be thinking "What if..." I did a lot of those kind of jobs a few years back when I first started to learn fitting vinyl, some of the places I worked in had to be seen to be believed!!

 

[bugs183]

So the Tennats Super wasn't for you then??? It is a bit heavy for the daytime!!!!
Nothing worse than working in doss holes, it doesn't matter what you earn, someone elses filth is just vile!

 

[Ian]

I assume travelling time wasn't allowed back in lieu then Rob?

 

[nybor62]

you had to stand the 1 st hr of travel time bri,