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A year in the life of a new Tiler.

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Well done Sean for hanging in there through those hard times. I myself have not quite finished my first year but think I've been lucky with the amount of work I've had, don't get me wrong there has been times when my booked in work has been coming to an end and the phones not been ringing for a week or so.:yikes: Then all of a sudden the thing just keeps ringing.:thumbsup: The satisfaction you get when a job is finished and you see the customers face is priceless.:smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin: Keep up the good work mate and good luck for 2009.
 
hi sean

thank you for that honest appraisal of your first year

we know it well

it is hard mate ,its very hard to get started but it does get easier as you go on.

i dont think the situation changes much but you change and grow as a person

i think you have done very well to achieve so much in a short time

we look forward to the sequel "the second year as a not so new tiler"

you have my respect and im sure you will make it as a first class tradesman and businessman

mike :thumbsup:
 
what can i say!! very well done mate ,you hang in there, great but sobering read:8: good luck for now on mate
 
congratulations sean on hanging on in there, i myself am just about to start out and it was nice to read someones take on their first year.
best of luck for the future
 
thanks for the honest story! keep at it! just dont tile over stuff your not happy with again, your knocking yourself down etc

i started out as a tiler and decorator. i was trained by BAl and my first job took far too long but it was a good job and i got paid. i then did a few normal old kitchens etc etc and things were going well. i made about 7 grand in then last 5 months of 2007 (my first 5 months of tiling/decorating).
I then broke my leg really badly in Jan 08 and couldnt work for 6 months. I lost my good reliable sources or work and it went down hill from there. ok i did a few great jobs but people seemed to want to pay me less at the end of the job etc. the credit crunch then came and i really struggled, i nearly ended up getting divorced because my wife couldnt handle the stress.
i also had some bad luck like on one job, a plumber accused me of destroying a bath, a £170 tap snapped off when i tocuhed it with my hand and the plumbers mate left plaster all over the bath and i got the blame! he even threatend to take me to court but fortunately i had moved house :hurray:.... so i had had ENOUGH and packed it in and fortunately got a job as a decorator and am on **** pay but oh well.

Since packing it in i have had a heck of a lot of calls from companies asking me to do more work for them! one of them is from a builder who i laid 53m2 of travertine for.

my main error of my ways was that i packed in the decorating business to focus on tiling just when tiling work dried up. if i had kept doing both i could of chosen to only do good tilign jobs and i wouldnt be where i am now

i know i made more money than sean but thats not what matters at the start, what matters is that he's improving and getting there! id rather be in his shoes

so the moral of the storey: dont brake a limb when things are going right
 
Im the same been up and running for about 18 months now..decided to change career right at the start of the recession..so im looking at it as the only way is UP! Its fecking tough hard work..and you never get the costs right ... if I had any hair I spent most of the time pulling it out..but that said..Im really enjoying working for myself and love it when the customers are pleased with my work...I worked in LOndon (city) for 20 years! wouldnt change back (well unless I was offered mega bucks to sit on my arse all day )...
 
thank you so much allowing people like me who are just starting out, to get a insight of a year as a tiler. it aint as easy it seems, but work at it and it will work for you. any more stories or tips you have, ill be happy to read. :8:
 
Hi Sean

Great post.

I am just starting out myself so found this most helpful.

Look forward to more posts on how you get on.

Cheers

:thumbsup:
Mick
 
this post has convinced me to take a plumbing course lol 😳great informative read keep up the good work mate :thumbsup:
 
All the best for the future. It does get better & the rewards will soon come to you.

Unfortunately it does get tough, but it beats working 9-5 for somebody who is making money out of you.

It will all be worth it when youve finally cracked it.
 
Cheers Sean, an excellent eye opening read! I start my 6 week nvq 2 course on August 16th. Luckily I have known for somethime that I was being made redundant so already have some work lined up after the course (good old family and friends!!). Martin Johnson always said " do the hard hards and the tries will come" sounds like the tries are just round the corner for you!

cheers Lee
 
Sean
Very interesting read, and hat off to you for perservering. I am just starting out myself part time as I have a day job, but would like to build the tiling up in the background and re visit in a yaers time. I did a 2 week course with PTS in Harlow, and really enjoyed it. I have done 2 estimates one couple didnt even know what tiles they wanted when I got there so it was a bit of a task estimating, the second was a guy who wanted his bathroom done, got there and he had purchased tiles, adhesive etc, and as I entered the bathroom tiles had been put up (bathroom backsplash) very badly done with chip board agains wall then tiles. He said a friend had started it then he decided to get a tiler. I think he had done it myself. I have learnt so far that there are time wasters out there, and every job is potentialy different. Its quiet so far, but I am getting the cards out and have a few jobs through friends coming up. I am going to do my CSCS card but reading your story just proves what friends have told me about site work:thumbsup:
 
I'm still here PJ !! Not too busy these days. In fact my order book is empty at the moment. I used to get a lot of work from Topps, but that avenue has completely dried up. Will write a ‘part 2’ within the next few weeks. Cheers Sean
 
Coming up to 3 years now Sean, how we doing mate? Has each year got better for you? 😉
 
You might want to get a pregnancy test mate. I'm as potent as hell.
 
How you getting on then Sean??? I'm just starting out myself, please tell me you are now earning more than 3k a year!
 
Great read Sean, similar boat to me from a change of career and been made redundent, I think to make a profit in your first year is great going, when I spoke to the tax office the guy said they didn't expect people to to turn a profit in their first year so hats off to ya.
Hope you do well in the future, keep posting as it gives newbies hope, like me, it's also good to read a lot of positive comments from guys and girls that have been at a long time. So hat off for the encouragement to ya.
Best regards
D
 
That was humbling to read Sean.. Thanks for posting.. Good luck stick at it !! Forums YouTube networking it all helps get your name out there..
 
Ahh, I remember those days.........that was over 6 years ago!

Well, I'm still tiling and it's still tough out there.

Profits have increased Thankfully.

I have tried to write this update in a 'timeline' of when events happened.....starting with where my original post left off:

Work and referrals continued with Topps tiles for a while, until Topps decided to get greedy and charge their customers for the privilege of getting a quote from their Topps Approved fitters (which I was one of a few). The customers had to buy materials from Topps at full retail price. Which meant the only way of securing a job was to lower my labour price. Needless to say it was not worth me quoting for work. I still got work from people picking up my cards.

I did a couple more jobs for the tiler that did lots of work in London. However, we parted company when I had to chase him for money.

I then took on jobs that nobody would take on. This only cost me my time, but I gained experience and the knowledge that I should never have taken the jobs on in the first place. I now know that some jobs you have to walk away from because i can foresee the complications and I can see that the customer is not willing to pay the correct cost for the work. Sometimes it's hard turning down jobs and sitting at home, but in the long run it's for the best. Only last week I had to say no to a lady because of structural issues with her floor. She was pleading with me to tile her floor, but there was a very high chance it would fail.

In the early days I was losing jobs because I could not do simple plumbing jobs. One lady accepted my quote for tiling, but then text me the day before I should have started because she found a tiler that could move a bathroom basin and bath. So I put myself on a plumbing course (1 week). This taught me how to bend/solder copper and to plumb in a bathroom suite. My very first plumbing/tiling job paid for the course.

One day I drove through Gerrards Cross and noticed a new tile shop. I popped in and had a chat with the owner. A few weeks later I was tiling in the Gerrards Cross area. This relationship lasted about 2 years until unreasonable behavior and money issues caused us to part.

My next big break came when I got a builder in to build our extension. He built the extension then took me on a few months later to do his tiling work. This relationship has lasted and is still ongoing. I still get other jobs from cards, referrals, friends etc but I always run my diary through with the builder because he gives me a lot of work. Most work is local to me, which is a massive bonus these days.

My plumbing skills don't really get used these days because the builder has his own team of plumbers to deal with situations. I just get on with the tiling.

I always use the term 'famine or feast'. I am writing this update due to the famine!!

I have made a few changes in the years:
A new car (Nissan X-trail). Just the right size for what I do.
New dry cutter (Sigma) for obvious reasons!!
New tile shop (CTD) Good deals on what we use the most (adhesive).
Accounting package (Invoice2go). Simple enough to use, even on my phone.

I now have a tool for almost everything. Before I got in with the builder I had an undercut saw (for cutting the bottoms off doors without taking the door off). Again, this tool paid for itself in it's first 5 uses.

A couple of years ago I thought about going into the tile cleaning and restoration business. I put myself on a course for a couple of days to learn about natural stone and how to clean and maintain it. It involved grinding and polishing with industrial machines. The outlay for the equipment was high, but the the cost of the diamond pads and polishing powders and chemicals was even more expensive. I would have had to invest in a bigger van too. In the end I gave up on that career path and stuck to tiling.

I am always critical about my speed. Speed will come with time (as they say). I will never in a million years be as fast as some of the guys on this forum (Deanotile !!). I just work a couple of extra hours in the day to achieve what I think I should achieve. Over the years I've changed the way I work. To improve my speed I actually slowed down for a while. If you rush, you make mistakes. If you slow down and think about the cut then the chances are you won't muck it up.

I seem to always end up with the jobs that involve multiple external corners, banana walls, 2 windows at different heights etc. Everyone seems to be going for large format porcelain tiles that are a bugger to cut. Everyone wants 'anti slip' tiles that are a bugger to clean. Saying that, I still enjoy the job..........as long as i'm not in the same house for too long.

I now know my limits as a tiler. 60x60 is my limit for large format tiles (unless they are wood effect tiles 100x30). I did bid for a 1200 sigma cutter on ebay once, but glad I didn't win it as it's just way too big for me and I would hardly ever have used it.
Tiling is not just about sticking a tile to a wall or floor. All these other trades and elements i've learned over the years: plumbing, plastering, carpentry, tanking, Self Levelling Compound, Under Floor Heating, epoxy grout. Let me stress, I would never say I am a plumber or plasterer or carpenter, but as a tiler you need to have the knowledge, tools, skills and confidence to perform certain elements of those jobs. As with anything, the first time you try something new it's a bit scary. Only last year I used epoxy grout over metal tiles for the first time. Thankfully epoxy is (in my opinion) easier to use than normal grout.

I originally started tiling because I thought I could work to my own hours and schedules. That has been my biggest misconception. I'm still at the stage where the customer decides when I work. Sometimes 3 customers want me to work at the same time!

In all my 7 years as a tiler I would say the ratio of good/bad customers is about 98/2. Maybe I've been lucky. Some customers stick in your mind for various reasons, but it's great meeting so many people and working in their homes.
Again, I must say that the TilersForums has been an encyclopedia of knowledge and help.

Recently I have been promoted on the forum to 'Trusted Advisor'. Well what more can I say about that!

I'm glad that my original post has helped so many would be tilers, and I'm sorry if this update was not about me earning so much money in tiling that I have now retired........maybe my next update will!!
 

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