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Exceeding substrate weight limits.
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Protilers
I have loads of them Dave....(hopefully you included)... heheheheehe......I think my posts prove the quality of my work (daily updates n'all).......why do they need to know my finances?
I would join just to get it more respectable in the industry.....but to be honest.......it has never stopped me earning a living and from what I have heard it dont help you make one!
not to knock it.........its all we have!
all the best
Lee
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charlie1
I once seen 15 mm thick granite stuck to a plastered wall with no apparent problems, one piece was actually on the ceiling section of a long alcove. I'm well aware of the reality of what can be achieved in real world. There are others factors that would dictate how much if at all you would want to breach the limits such as if the wall was plumb and if the bottom row of tiles where tiled on top of the floor tiles. We all take our chances but lets put it in to perspective and I hope no one uses the old extreme scenario here with babies having tiles fall on there head in the bath. We are sticking tiles not landing aeroplanes.
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charlie1
whats the point?? I just downloaded the TTA picture and had it stuck to my van!
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gamma38
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Did i not mention i'm a part time pilot charlie:lol::lol::lol:
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The D
I have to admire your inflexibility but in my humble opinion it is OTT hardi backer has been tested and it will hold four ton but they set a limit of 100kg so with your inflexibility if the tile come in at 101kg you have to walk away.
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Rookery
I've gone over with porcelain but equally I've turned down stone onto newly plastered walls. Agreed, the BS is merely a guideline and there has to be a tolerance.
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DHTiling
Ok ok.. let's say the weight was 20.5 kg ... would you tile it ? .. 🙂
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I am not quite that inflexible but not far off. Everybody knows what you can do and what you can get away with and personal judgement etc but i just made a conscious decision to have a cut off point and that's mine nowadays. It just gives me an easy line to work with if i'm doing a rip out and don't know what's behind the current tiles, i quote the numbers to the customer and they either accept them or not before i even get the job
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20.125789665533kg and i would leap at it :lol:
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DHTiling
Ah , so you would exceed .. Told ya :lol:
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only on a day ending in y though:lol:
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charlie1
:cool2:My tiled walls are so bullet proof, I have joiners calling me to ask if my tiles will take the weight of there plasterboard!!
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mattle40
I wouldn't leap at it, being that far over the limits, the slightest knock could have it all off! ☺
It's all about risk assessment surely.
The spare tyre on my car says it should be run at no more than 50mph. If I do 55mph is it likely to burst. I don't know the answer. Mine may not, but my mates tyre could and cause an accident.
Will the plaster hold 22kg? Well it might do in this house but it won't in another!!
The spare tyre on my car says it should be run at no more than 50mph. If I do 55mph is it likely to burst. I don't know the answer. Mine may not, but my mates tyre could and cause an accident.
Will the plaster hold 22kg? Well it might do in this house but it won't in another!!
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
dont worry lee i have asked them loads of times to let tilers come to there meeting to put there opions forward what would we want from a tile asosaion but they just dont care what we think or want with only 90 tile fixer out of 60000 i think there missing out
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Dougs Third Go
i doubt you'll find any long standing tiler that hasn't exceeded weight limits from time to time. I did a little test on a skimmed plasterboard with a porc tile, left it a couple of days and tried taking it off....it pulled a big hole in the plasterboard but was still stuck to the skim..weird!
Hmmm. And how would you feel if your tiles collapsed on the wife whilst she was in the bath?? 😉 jooooookkkkke!!
Some days i wish!!
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
i have been thinking back over 30 plus years of tiling and have seen a few failures over the years but cant think of one where weight of the tiles was the cause of failure many over causes how about you
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The D
Never had it myself only ever heard of problems from adhesive reps.
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Rizzle from the Portizzle
well maybe a few reps could exsplain how they came to that conclosion .what were the signs how do you determan that wieght is the cause after ruling out other causes
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Peter
When were the last weight limits written? I'm sure adhesive and material technology has come on a bit since then
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The D
The thing is the limits are set by the people that make the backgrounds and have nothing to do with the adhesive.
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The D
I am not convinced that a tile stuck to a wall is putting the same amount of stress on the background as one stuck to a ceiling. I can understand manufacturers need to put the limits in place to cover themselves but that dose not mean that if you go over by a few kg the background will automatically fail
Exactly right Dean, They have to give a figure for people to work to, but it will also have a tolerance to allow for people who will always go that extra bit, cos that's what people do, isn't it?
I refer back to my tyre analogy, where the tyre will not automatically burst/puncture at 50mph. It is a recommendation that you do not drive faster than that speed, but some people will.
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DHTiling
I was chatting to 2 of the british gypsum guys face to face late last year , and the weight limit for PB was set yrs ago .... they say it will now hold more weight as the paper facing is thicker and of a lot better quality than when the limits were set yrs ago..
The limits really are a mine field when looking at everyday wall substrates we have to cope with... older houses have walls that have been up so so long and then we have new builds etc where the stud centers can be 900mm which creates another issue..
But a good tiler does or should know how far they can push the limits when tiling... as in weights..
The limits really are a mine field when looking at everyday wall substrates we have to cope with... older houses have walls that have been up so so long and then we have new builds etc where the stud centers can be 900mm which creates another issue..
But a good tiler does or should know how far they can push the limits when tiling... as in weights..
Has anyone seen, or heard of a failure, due to tiles being to heavy on the wrong substrate...?
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IMO i cannot say i have..
I have seen loads of de-bonds due to fixing methods but never a shear weight de-bonding..
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