quartz tiles over floating floor

[kilty55]

its up to you gary,your choice,the guys have given you the best advice on here and its up to you if your going to follow it or not

do not let the lure of a big job make you choose the wrong route,you may think your making money and potentially more work down the line but if it goes wrong it could seriously harm your business and reputation

you said earlier in your posts the customer would pay for whatever needed done ,well it doesnt seem that way to me.
you will be his 1st port of call if it fails

good luck

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

is this installation in a wet area mate???

 

[GaryS]

No its a dry area gooner a living room, kitchen and hallway.

Yep i hear you kilty it seems a lot on here would just walk from this one, Customer will pay for what needs done within reason if i can say to him it will definately fail otherwise like most customers persuading them to part with cash for prep that they didnt expect to have to pay for can be fun.

I doubt I will be able to eliminate the risk of a floating floor on this one completely as it just isnt practical to do so all i can do is minimise the risk and customer is aware of this.

 

[Andy Allen]

then good luck to you and i hope it turns ok..

 

[GaryS]

thanks andy i hope it turns out ok too, another suggestion i've had is to fill the void below the floor with expanding foam this apparently will also help eliminate deflection.

 

[nybor62]

i would"nt like to say gary ,

 

[DHTiling]

Hi Gary..

Sorry for late reply.. haven't been on since friday night..

Yes . you are right.. Conglomerate quartz really does need a polyurethane type adhesive such as Mapei Granirapid S1 or Mapei Elastorapid S2..,,These are none water mixed adhesives and will prevent tiles warping whilst the adhesive sets..


But the problem you have is the floating floor..

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

It's all been said above, I would not touch this floor as it stands. In this society of litigation, you are responsible (duty of care etc) good luck.

 

[GaryS]

Customer chose ball stone and tile ptb (He spoke to ball technical) and after having done most of the floor and having over half a ton of tiles sitting on a small area it seems to have worked really well floor goes from 5mm bed to 15mm bed in areas to keep it flat this job has cost a lot in addy alone it seems ball are real interested in the results of this one to promote there ptb addy

 

[DHTiling]

Over a floating floor.. come back in 12 mnths.. and report the same info

 

[GaryS]

this floor is now really solid dave its had 9mm ply then 12mm ply then the weight of the addy and 12mm quartz tiles on top so I doubt it will move the main issue i had was the floor followed the shape of the concrete so getting it flat was fun. If it stands up to having that amount of weight on a small area of the floor I would be very surprised if normal every day use will make any difference in 6 months or 6 years

 

[Andy Allen]

did you tile on to the ply ? or did you but cement boards down.

 

[Rich]

Between us we have put right thousands of different floors, we have seen it all. It doesnt matter how much weight is on the floor. Im glad it all went well and the customer is happy but I will eat my hat if this floor remains problem free.

 

[GaryS]

its tiled onto the ply andy

 

[Andy Allen]

with all the cheap ply flying around it really wasn't the best surface to tile to, there are many tilers on this site that will no longer tile to ply due to so many failures, i hope it dose work out for you but i to will eat my hat if it remains problem free.

 

[GaryS]

This is one as said earlier where customer did the spec the job themselfs and the only input where i was given a say was to lay the extra 12mm ply over the original 9mm, if it does go pear shaped i seriously doubt this guy would try hold me responsible.

Given the construction of the subfloor and that the floor will now be in constant compression due to the weight that is now on the floor it is effectively now as solid a floor as would be sitting on regular joists.

Cheap ply or rather low grade ply may still be an issue though the supplier i use is usually pretty good i do a lot of karndean on ply from the same place and so far never had any issue. I hope i dont have to eat my hat too though.

Id like to say a big thank you to all the input from the members here it has been a real eye opener I dont intend taking up tiling as a career though im way to slow at it and tend to get myself covered in addy or grout rather than just have it on floor. though it looks like i will still have a wall and a kitchen splashback to tile for this same customer and the wall will need to be lined as i doubt it will support the weight of these tiles.

 

[Scott]

Doubting they would you responsible means nothing, if you tile that floor you are responsible as a professional for the floor. Holding your hands up in court saying i did what i was told wont hold it. As a fitter/floorer or whatever your trade is you are the tradesman doing the job and are therefore have the duty of care to ensure its done properly.

Given your experience with the expansion and contraction of timber floors as a laminate flooring specialist and with your concerns in another thread over the use of Silicon stopping a floor expanding im really suprised you are not heeding the advice given.

 

[GaryS]

My duty of care was to inform the customer who is an experienced tradesman himself what information I was able to gather about the fitting of this floor I am no more qualified in this field than the customer is and in this case the customer took it out of my hands and spoke to ball technical himself.

I appreciate what you are saying mate and if i was a tiling profesional then what you say would be true but this is not my field the customer knows this and any court would also recognise this, where it would make a difference is if i was a profesional in this field and did a job i suspected was going to fail.

I do know that there is a small chance this floor will fail however this may be more likely due to ply failure than any other concern the customer also knows what the risks are and still made the desicion to go ahead with the installation even with the information that i and ball had provided to him.

I did heed advice given as far as possible on this thread as i explained early on walking away from this job was not an option this particular customer has gained me other work worth £500 plus for 2 half days work per week and thats every week who in this climate can turn that down and whats more this may lead to more work with a potential of £2500 per week every week for a 5 day week

The advise given was to walk away so tell me would you given the circumstances.

 

[Rich]

I would have...

 

[Scott]

How much work will you get from this customer when it fails?

 

[GaryS]

lol if it fails and im making that money from his jobs per week then i will sort it anyway

 

[GaryS]

Between us we have put right thousands of different floors, we have seen it all. It doesnt matter how much weight is on the floor. Im glad it all went well and the customer is happy but I will eat my hat if this floor remains problem free.

it makes a great deal of difference how much weight is on this floor as the floating part of the floating floor is now under constant compression and wont move so it becomes a nice solid surface.

 

[Rich]

I really wouldnt like to rely on weight to make a floor solid. I would want to make the floor solid before tiling.

The job is done now either way, I hope it doesnt cause you any problems.

 

[TilerBhoy]

Customer chose ball stone and tile ptb (He spoke to ball technical) and after having done most of the floor and having over half a ton of tiles sitting on a small area it seems to have worked really well floor goes from 5mm bed to 15mm bed in areas to keep it flat this job has cost a lot in addy alone it seems ball are real interested in the results of this one to promote there ptb addy

Oooft.
I seriously doubt, having dealt with them in the past, the tech guys at BAL would advise PTB onto a floating floor.
Good luck with this.
I think your going to need it.