hi , i have a question about slate tiles in swimmingpool

[geo]

is any chance 16mm slate tiles would hold the water in a swimmingpool?
thanks

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

just seen this mate, i have a slate tiled pool on my web-sit in the gallery mate have a look
www.diamondpoolfinishers.co.uk have a look

 

[geo]

even if the render is bad and not waterproof?

 

[david campbell]

i don't think it is worth tiling onto a bad substrate and not doing the job properly by skipping the waterproofing...........i may be wrong but i would rather be safe than sorry:smilewinkgrin:

 

[geo]

i know is not worth tiling it , just the company i done the pool just didn't want to fix the render because of the cost , and now is teling me is my foult because the pool is losing wather , and wont pay for the job . thanks

 

[White Room]

The tiling dos'nt do the waterproofing

 

[DHTiling]

So you have already tiled it..? and you knew it wasn't waterproof..

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I'm afraid the term "duty of care" springs to mind. If you have tiled a pool that you knew was not prepared correctly. Then I think you may have a problem😳

 

[poynton phil]

Personally i wouldn't, and no body should tile anything if it wasn't preped properly.

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

hold on there guy's, it is not a requirement of the tile's or the render to hold water in the pool, under British standards after the pool shell has been built of what-ever then it should be water-tested it's the shell that has to hold water not the finishes

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

oh and it's the water retaining structure's or pool shell's builder's care of duty to supplie this, not the plasterer/tiler so tell them to pay -up mate if you never built the shell

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I stand corrected Dave, the last pool I did was some years ago. I do remember the shell being on test for quite a while before we were allowed to commence tiling. I retract my original post, and bow to your much greater knowledge on this subject

 

[Diamond Pool Finishers]

thanks for that Phil, I'm not trying to be a smarty-pants, just trying to help GEO get his money really

 

[geo]

thanks guys , i know i shouldn't do the tiling . was just the rushing of the company was doing the pool ,they just want it on.
u got any idea how i can get the money from company ? or , can i get them ?

 

[Richard Edwards]

I do not want to make a bad situtation worst - Phil's inital reaction to the position, that has been withdrawn by him, I feel was not far from the mark. No one, on this forum or a specialist lawyer, trading standards or the I daresay even the Department of Justice [courts] would find in favour of your builder since all of us knows that the pool must be tested to hold water before the finishing is applied. We have on this forum a specialist in Gooner and he lives in Wales so thats great too ! and he has more knowledge of pool work than anyone I know of.

That said, If you knew, from your inital exam or knowledge of the design and workmanship of the pool shell that the pool was not watertight or likely to leak, then you should have either refused to tile it, or insisted on the builder signing a disclaimer that clearly stated that you believe the shell to be not up to BS standards and likely to leak / loose water and that you would not be responsible for defects in the waterproofing etc etc

I know this sounds a bit heavy, only I have had a three cases over the past few years, where I have been asked to tile or do work, where I know failures are likely to occur due to poor design / inadequate screed prep / etc and I have asked the client to sign an indemnity document. At that point, only one client agreed and signed it and it involved an expansion joint on a large floor with underfloor heating on one side of a porcelain floor and a cold floor on the other side of a doorway. They said - fine- we think it will be ok and we think your OTT, signed and told me to carry on. The other two cases, they stopped and thought about it and corrected the building faults and then we tiled as normal.

12 months later, the tiles in the doorway split open and a crack appeared within a couple of days. Then they called me back, I offered to repair it and put an expansion joint in. At a cost of course and they then went to another tiler and he simiply retiled it as it was. Thats fine with me.

At least by my inital 'Duty of Care' approach I was able to (a) altert them to the potential problem and (b) protect my business from a claim due to poor work of others or a flawed decision by a client.

I think that its all too easy to agree to undertake a project for a client, without stopping to consider the risks and the issues if it goes wrong and what protection you need to put in place to ensure you don't end up with either a claim or simply not being paid as a result of a dispute about payment or the quality of the work. How many of you issue standard terms of business with a detailed quotation and how many Forum Arms members, insist on written acceptence of instructions to proceed with a quoted work schedule.

Its food for thought - Geo you will probably have to write to your client and put them on notice and if your not comfortable with this proceedure, go to Trading Standards and ask them for help, or seek out some legal advice / help. This will cost you, but it might be better than walking away and no money for tiling the pool. You might consider a small claims court, dependant on the outstanding amount.

I hope you achieve a result