Vynil floor to wall seal

[Chalker]

Hi
I'm on with a wet room for a customer with MS. It's wheelchair acccesable. With a non slip vynil floor and nuance boards for the walls. The floor company want to do the usual upstand and then a plastic transition strip to join to the wall boards. I've done it like that a few times with tiles and wall panels, but we are trying to make it not look like a hospital ward!
The room has been tanked out, and I'm thinking about taking the wall boards right down to the floor, sealing this to the floor. Then letting the floor layer, cut tight to this and sealing with a colour match Silicon.

Can anyone see a problem with this? Or another better way.
Cheers.

 

[Rich Midge]

Rooms tanked so watertight anyway? Can't see a problem. What about using a plastic skirt to add to the aesthetics?

 

[One Day]

You could do what a professional wet room installation company did at my father in laws place of work recently in Preston - don't waterproof anything. Spot fix all wall tiles. Forget the plastic trim for the safety flooring and just apply the flooring over the bottom course of tiles.
Then get called back after one week because it's leaking into the rooms below. Spend 8 weeks trying to rectify the job using nothing more than approx 24 tubes of clear Silicon.
Charge the nhs over 8k plus extra for each time called back...
Profit & repeat... 😡

 

[Old Mod]

You could do what a professional wet room installation company did at my father in laws place of work recently in Preston - don't waterproof anything. Spot fix all wall tiles. Forget the plastic trim for the safety flooring and just apply the flooring over the bottom course of tiles.
Then get called back after one week because it's leaking into the rooms below. Spend 8 weeks trying to rectify the job using nothing more than approx 24 tubes of clear Silicon.
Charge the nhs over 8k plus extra for each time called back...
Profit & repeat... 😡

I might ask em for a job! Haha

 

[Rich Midge]

You could do what a professional wet room installation company did at my father in laws place of work recently in Preston - don't waterproof anything. Spot fix all wall tiles. Forget the plastic trim for the safety flooring and just apply the flooring over the bottom course of tiles.
Then get called back after one week because it's leaking into the rooms below. Spend 8 weeks trying to rectify the job using nothing more than approx 24 tubes of clear Silicon.
Charge the nhs over 8k plus extra for each time called back...
Profit & repeat... 😡

I think I can see the problem here..... it's the 25th tube that generally does the job.

 

[White Room]

You could do what a professional wet room installation company did at my father in laws place of work recently in Preston - don't waterproof anything. Spot fix all wall tiles. Forget the plastic trim for the safety flooring and just apply the flooring over the bottom course of tiles.
Then get called back after one week because it's leaking into the rooms below. Spend 8 weeks trying to rectify the job using nothing more than approx 24 tubes of clear Silicon.
Charge the nhs over 8k plus extra for each time called back...
Profit & repeat... 😡

Sounds like were got the wrong ethics in work...

 

[Chalker]

I think I can see the problem here..... it's the 25th tube that generally does the job.

Use it to seal the door into the room shut.

 

[LM]

Hi
I'm on with a wet room for a customer with MS. It's wheelchair acccesable. With a non slip vynil floor and nuance boards for the walls. The floor company want to do the usual upstand and then a plastic transition strip to join to the wall boards. I've done it like that a few times with tiles and wall panels, but we are trying to make it not look like a hospital ward!
The room has been tanked out, and I'm thinking about taking the wall boards right down to the floor, sealing this to the floor. Then letting the floor layer, cut tight to this and sealing with a colour match Silicon.

Can anyone see a problem with this? Or another better way.
Cheers.

If that's the road you want to go down then the best way to deal with this would be to have the floor fitted first then treat that perimeter the same way you would a bath with a shower over it. Tank down over the edge of the floor and tile as normal. It's the wrong way to do this as a whole, but the best chance of not having a leak!
I'd prefer to install the tile to vinyl trim, tank that out and tile, then let the floor layer fit his floor turning it up the walls and hot welding the internals.

 

[peteablard]

If I was fitting the vinyl floor in a wet room I would only guarantee it if I could cover up up the wall

 

[Rich Midge]

If that's the road you want to go down then the best way to deal with this would be to have the floor fitted first then treat that perimeter the same way you would a bath with a shower over it. Tank down over the edge of the floor and tile as normal. It's the wrong way to do this as a whole, but the best chance of not having a leak!
I'd prefer to install the tile to vinyl trim, tank that out and tile, then let the floor layer fit his floor turning it up the walls and hot welding the internals.

Isn't he fitting wall panels not tiles? I'd perhaps be inclined to have the floor laid returning up the walls then panel down to it and fix a plastic skirt to hide the transition.

 

[LM]

Isn't he fitting wall panels not tiles? I'd perhaps be inclined to have the floor laid returning up the walls then panel down to it and fix a plastic skirt to hide the transition.

It's the same problem to deal with Rich. The transition between the vinyl and tile/wall board has the same vulnerability. Wall boards still need to be tanked behind.

 

[peteablard]

Isn't he fitting wall panels not tiles? I'd perhaps be inclined to have the floor laid returning up the walls then panel down to it and fix a plastic skirt to hide the transition.

Vinyl runs up a rubber cover former which would kick the panel out at the bottom if you tried to take it down to the floor

 

[LM]

A vinyl 'stick on' skirt is no protection whatsoever in a shower area and should never be used as such. A 'sit in' skirt however is a different matter if fitted correctly

 

[Dumbo]

Hi
I'm on with a wet room for a customer with MS. It's wheelchair acccesable. With a non slip vynil floor and nuance boards for the walls. The floor company want to do the usual upstand and then a plastic transition strip to join to the wall boards. I've done it like that a few times with tiles and wall panels, but we are trying to make it not look like a hospital ward!
The room has been tanked out, and I'm thinking about taking the wall boards right down to the floor, sealing this to the floor. Then letting the floor layer, cut tight to this and sealing with a colour match Silicon.

Can anyone see a problem with this? Or another better way.
Cheers.

 

[Dumbo]

One problem if you did get a small leak at wall to floor joint and Im not sure if we are talking about same thing the wet wall panels could fail as it would absorb water

 

[Rich Midge]

I understand the possible problems being stated and also realise the limitations of a plastic stick on skirt hence my suggestion merely to improve the aesthetics. My understanding is that the room is already tanked. Surely a perfectly prepped, tanked wet room is watertight before the addition of the finishing detail ie tiles, panels etc.

 

[Chalker]

One problem if you did get a small leak at wall to floor joint and Im not sure if we are talking about same thing the wet wall panels could fail as it would absorb water

The panels are solid plastic, so no problem with water.
I'm probably going to go with the usual "ugly" transition trim. Shame it only comes in white!
Just trying to make it less like a hospital.

 

[Time's Ran Out]

Is it not available in chrome?

 

[Tile Shop]

What about, flooring to the wall, Keba tanking tape over the join (fixed with Kerdi Coll), fit a Schluter Dilex AHKA over the top and bring the plastic wall covering down to fit, filling the allocated joint in the trim with a matching Silicon to the wall panel?
http://www.schluter.co.uk/media/schlueter_db_4_21_dilex_ahk_uk_0812.pdf

Or Genesis do a cove that would sit over the join:
Internal Trim EWA - http://genesis-gs.com/products/metal-tile-trim/internal-trim-2/internal-trim-ewa

Just a thought but would look way nicer than captile or Silicon, and the keba is for additional protection. Belts'n'braces 🙂

 

[Tile Shop]

Or Genesis do a cove that would sit over the join:
Internal Trim EWA - http://genesis-gs.com/products/metal-tile-trim/internal-trim-2/internal-trim-ewa

Just realised this is only self adhesive. Can rely on that as you already have the tanking beneath so water seepage wouldn't be a concern, but would probably stick a bead of Gripfill or Silicon to make sure it stays stuck.

 

[peteablard]

Or just cove the vinyl up the wall how it should be done, fit and forget rather than trying to Silicon everywhere and keeping your fingers crossed