Update - What a Bodge in the Bathroom

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Hi Guys,

just thought I would let you know - it is official, I have had an inspection carried out by a Tile Association registered company and it is basically a bodge job - he agrees with a full hack off and start again.

see thread here http://www.tilersforums.com/tiling-forum/18723-what-bodge-up-bathroom-3.html

Should have the written report with relevant extracts from the British Standards.

I will send a copy of it to the tiler, demanding payment in full if not it will be off to the small claims court. Who knows, maybe his dad will come round again :incazzato:

Thanks again for all your advice

Cheers

Steve
 
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mikethetile said:
do you mean the architraves mate

you are absolutly right the tiles would loosen and likely fall off

no tiler would do such a thing even if its what the client asked for

i had a similar doorframe without archys , i used a tile trim just shy of the frame and then caulked the joint on the frame side

looked nice and neat when done, the client said to me i wondered how you would finish that bit, he was really pleased
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This is what I wanted. That was the first thing that I picked him up for.

He took the trim right up to the edge of the door frame - and even over it. If you look at my original thread you will see the mess he made of the door so he could get it to fit back. The trim on the left of the door is actually curved. It was covering the cut out for the hinges at first. Somehow he was just about able to uncover them on that side. The striking plate for the lock is covered by the trim as well so unless the handle was pressed down fully, the trim would get kn@ckered. His excuse - I thought you wanted the wet room look :mad2:

The guy appears to be just an amateur in the light of day. Saw somebody tiling and thought - I can do that - couple of weeks later had a van and out tiling - that is from somebody who knows of him and knew the tiler he watched!!! Doubt he has even had any training at all. I know I must of approached it wrong in the initial engagement to have ended up in this position, but I just wish he had of held his hands up after a bit - I would of had more respect for him. And even last weekend he had the opportunity and wouldn't.......

The bath is an Idealcast P bath - 1700 x lots of different dimensions.

As for Part time - the wife kept on saying to me what the hell is he doing towards the middle of the second week. Not every hour of every day but he was there for a couple of hours at least each day over that week. It was when he grouted on the Thursday without the job being complete (I think it was) the Alarm bells really rang!!!!

Steve
 
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After looking at the photo`s again, of the doorway Mikethetiler and Salmonfisher are right. Where`s that humble pie,I was under the impression the Archys would be fitted after😳2Balls
 
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Further Update - What a Bodge in the Bathroom

Hi Guys,

well had the tiles ripped off yesterday. Managed to take a bit of video before I left for Munich that shows how bad the mosaics were stuck on and also "live footage" of me being able to poke things down the back of the tiles. The tiler who ripped off also found a lot of dot and dabbing along the wall where the door is - apparently one tile was stuck on with a single blob of cement :yikes:. Tiler had the use of my camera so I will see the photo's and post up the interesting ones for you to see at the weekend if I get chance (short weekend this weekend :thumbsdown:).

I must say CTD Chester has come up trumps in a price to replace the tiles. A big thanks goes out to them from me and my family - although the original tiler will be the one who will be happy with the price (if you can be after being taken to small claims for the whole lot)

Cheers

Steve
 
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Hi
I went down the small claims route a few years ago and it is not as easy as you would think to get your money.... very briefly things to consider are
After initial costs,
If guy does not reply to claim, then you will need to re apply to court, at a cost.
Then he may refute your claim, more costs to take it further
If you get a judgement and he does not pay, you will have to pay more money to take it further.
If you get that far he may be able to make an arrangement to pay a minimum amount each month, if he can prove that he cannot afford
If he defaults on his payments, you may have to re apply at a cost to take it further.

Not an easy route ! Can be costly, time consuming without guaranteed results
 
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Leatherface said:
Hi
I went down the small claims route a few years ago and it is not as easy as you would think to get your money.... very briefly things to consider are
After initial costs,
If guy does not reply to claim, then you will need to re apply to court, at a cost.
Then he may refute your claim, more costs to take it further
If you get a judgement and he does not pay, you will have to pay more money to take it further.
If you get that far he may be able to make an arrangement to pay a minimum amount each month, if he can prove that he cannot afford
If he defaults on his payments, you may have to re apply at a cost to take it further.

Not an easy route ! Can be costly, time consuming without guaranteed results
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Cheers Leatherface - to be honest - I know that, I know we can't really afford to loose the money - but we are committed. Every time we go to court it adds to his costs, although I have to pay it innitially, this is why I did not get a full Tile Association report done at a cost of £800+vat, but have had a report done by a member of the TA as it has minimised our financial exposure - but at least we will have the satisfaction of proving (legally) the guy done a dangerous and substandard job and refused to even consider putting it right - and I will shout it from the rooftops. Only citing our example though - but mud sticks. I know that now he won't be getting any work from our immediate area as the word has got around at the school gates...

Also, the guy lives 100 yards from us - we can see his van from our bedroom window so we could keep a diary if required of when he has been out all day - and their other car is a quite new Audi (although his "Daddy" works for them) - he will also have to look me in the face all the time and his wife will have to look my wife in the face everyday when their kid starts at the school.

Just depends how much of a second hand car salesman he still is I suppose (that is apparently what he used to be before thinking he was a tiler) - oh er.... and his wife works in recruitment - which in my line of work is one of the necessary evils we have to put up with unlike your good selves who should get the work on your merrits direct with the client.

I have met very little recruitment consultants who are honest (in fact only one - and he isn't in recruitment any more - perhaps that is why!!)

Steve
 
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Hi All,

thought you might like to see some more photo's of the tiles "off the wall"

tilersforums.com | Tile Forums | Tiling Forum - lawrenso's Album: Bathroom nightmare

What surprised me is that quite a lot of the tiles came off pretty clean - which makes me wonder about the cement used to put them up with - almost looks like it hadn't adhered to the tile itself (ie over half or more of tiles were "clean" of addy!). I know you get the PorcelBond from BAL...is there cement that won't bond properly to Porcelain??

One that impresses me (NOT :mad2🙂 has the tile trim on - this was above the door and one that the tiler was banging on to say this is going nowhere...

Steve
 
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My question is - is there a wrong cement you can use for porcelain and would this explain why a number of the tiles came off pretty clean??

Cheers

Steve
 
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As I thought before this standard of workmanship, or lack of, gives the tiling profession a bad name.:19:
The surface often hides a multitude of sins, good for you you are getting them rectified and my heart goes out to you.:nopity:
 
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Bad looking work that,but we knew that by the forst pics.Must feel good to get them off steve even now? any porcelains i put down?on i always use a flexi adhesive,mapei keraquick is my fav for floors and keraflex on the walls,no probs yet with any of it.
Good luck in court anyway!! and good on CTD for treating you good:hurray:wish there was one in Ireland :thumbsdown:lol.
 
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those tiles are shocking steve

an accident waiting to happen

hope your telling all your neighbours to steer clear of this guy as he is no tiler , of course the other thing you could do is point him towards the training advertised on this forum

mike
 
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People I know yes - Once I have been justified in court then I will shout it from the rooftops, including putting his name up on here

Perhaps there should be a name and shame section to the forum??

Cheers

Steve
 
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Hi Guys

Further update for you.

The new tilers are in and they seem to be doing a grand job. No Dot and Dabbing, all around the windows is smack on and they should be finished tomorrow :hurray:

Then it will be booking in the Plumber to do the second fix. Once all that is done I will post some further photo's up to show the completed job.

Thanks for all your help and advice over the past few months guys and gals :thumbsup:

May I just add that I saw a previous post on the forums about the Scluter profile corners costing £20 - I have found a place that do them for the princely sum of £5.odd +VAT, and they will arrange for them to be delivered to you direct next day - PM me for details if you want them.

When I receive the total bill for the work I will then give the original tiler one more chance to settle via letter, and if no response I will be going to the small claims to try and get the money back we paid him, and the money for removing the tiles, making good the walls and the purchase of replacement tiles - oh I - nearly forgot - replacement door and fitting by a joiner.

Cheers

Steve
 
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:thumbsup:Glad it's going well mate, I really do hope you manage to get some money back

lawrenso said:
Hi Guys

May I just add that I saw a previous post on the forums about the Scluter profile corners costing £20 - I have found a place that do them for the princely sum of £5.odd +VAT, and they will arrange for them to be delivered to you direct next day - PM me for details if you want them.
Steve
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Are the corners stainless steel or aluminum Steve? the stainless are £££ but the alu ones are much cheaper
 
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Well done for persevering with this....the more publicity this gets on here or even locally verbal or ...? to your home the better. . One less to contend with is a good start !
:hurray::thumbsup:
 
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Re: Back up to 8,000 members already

Recieved another Solicitors Letter yesterday from Ace Tiler, the tiler that sparked the "Dodgy Bathroom" topic. Thugh in this case the tiler doesn't really have a leg to stand on as the bathroom has been checked by a propper tiler recommended by an association in the tile industry and he too says the bathroom isn't to standard. Not too sure what the attempt is with this letter though, and it's not addresses to me, it's a copy of the letter sent to the customer and from what I can tell Ace Tiler (what a name!?!?!?) is on the loosing side.

The threads have been moved to the Arms, and lawrenso has access now. Discussion WILL stay alive on this forum. I promise you that.
 
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