tiling a bath panel

[bruce lee]

hi to everyone,
i am new to this forum this is my first post. i need to tile a bath panel i would like to know what material i should use for the panel as i was told not to use plyboard so what should i use and where is best to buy it from ,also what adhesive should i use thanks

 

[Rich]

Dont see why you couldnt use a tile backer board like no more ply as long as it is thick enough, then tile over it with a single part flexi addy.

 

[Peter]

It will be suitable to use a well screwed ply providing it has no movement, used in accordance with flexible adhesive.

 

[mikethetile]

you need to watchout for flex in the panel as this will debond the tiles

for that reason i use wbp 18mm ply

this just sits far enough under the lip of the bath to allow room for the tiles

 

[david campbell]

put extra support by adding extra noggins in the frame behind it

 

[bruce lee]

hi to everyone,
i am new to this forum this is my first post. i need to tile a bath panel i would like to know what material i should use for the panel as i was told not to use plyboard so what should i use and where is best to buy it from ,also what adhesive should i use thanks

where is best to buy the no more ply or wbp from cheers

 

[Sean fsy]

 

[peckers]

where is best to buy the no more ply or wbp from cheers

WBP is ply its an exterior grade ply! You can use this ply for your bath panel 18mm as someone above has mentioned, put in enough noggings so as it doesent flex when you push on it!
I would apply acrylic sealer to the back and edges before screwing it back to the noggings and then to the face prior to tiling. you can then tile this useing a single part flexible adhesive!
if you use tile backer board such as hardi, or no more ply then you can get this from your local tile suppliers outlet if they stock it! you will still have to put in frame work and noggings to screw this back too but it is better as it is water proof.

 

[Perry]

whatever you do don't use ply.use backer board or even cheaper plasterboard

 

[bruce lee]

cheers guys
where is a good place for the no more ply or backer board i live in leigh.lancashire anybody near me who knows of a place thanks

 

[J.R Tiling]

Hi Bruce lee :welcome:

Topps Tiles sell backerboard , thats were i get mine from , i assume there is a store near you ?

 

[simhopper]

2x2 timber frame and face in 12mm hardibacker , Costs about £35

Will outlast the bath!

 

[Daz]

If you've got a CTD near you, they sell Wedi which is my favourite for forming bath panels .

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[simhopper]

If you've got a CTD near you, they sell Wedi which is my favourite for forming bath panels .

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4x the price of hardibacker and wont do the job aswell,Will need to be braced and well fixed otherwise will move and flex

 

[Daz]

I've not experienced anywhere near that difference in price. I agree that the frame requires sufficient batons, but when you have formed an access panel it doesn't take much more effort to add a couple more batons to eliminate flex.

Hardi, Wedi, Kerdi or any other tile backer board will be better than ply as long as the frame is structured well.

 

[simhopper]

I've not experienced anywhere near that difference in price. I agree that the frame requires sufficient batons, but when you have formed an access panel it doesn't take much more effort to add a couple more batons to eliminate flex.

Hardi, Wedi, Kerdi or any other tile backer board will be better than ply as long as the frame is structured well.

Hardibacker £7.50 a sheet+vat, 2 required

Wedi bathboard £55+vat for 1800x800

Foam board or cement board?No brainer really

Used to be a big fan of Wedi but the price is too high and there are far superior products out there

 

[Daz]

Hardibacker £7.50 a sheet+vat, 2 required

Wedi bathboard £55+vat for 1800x800

Foam board or cement board?No brainer really

Used to be a big fan of Wedi but the price is too high and there are far superior products out there

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

Hardi is £7.50+vat but that is for the 6mm boards, not the 12mm. The 6mm boards are no good for panels only for overboarding a floor.
You can get 10mm Wedi (BA10 - 2500 x 600) approx £23+vat from CTD.
I agree it will be slightly more expensive than the Hardi but not vastly different.

The Wedi is cement lined fibreboard, so pretty strong too.

 

[aflemi]

I've not experienced anywhere near that difference in price. I agree that the frame requires sufficient batons, but when you have formed an access panel it doesn't take much more effort to add a couple more batons to eliminate flex.

Hardi, Wedi, Kerdi or any other tile backer board will be better than ply as long as the frame is structured well.

Captain, how do you go about forming the panel support? I have my way but always looking for alternative/easier methods.
I make a frame including vertical supports with 2x2 which I screw to wall and floor. I generally use 500 hardi (hadn't thought about Wedi but would be much lighter and easier to cut...). For access I usually cut a gap maybe 20-30mm smaller than a tile in the bottom row and just use silicon to hold the tile in place. plusses and minuses with any access as it's virtually impossible to do it invisibly.

 

[dagger]

bath panels can be created loads of ways....

wedi,hardi,ply, plasterboard (tanked), this one was created with ply over 2x2 carcuss:

note the 4 little screw caps.....other ways can make them invisible!...unless brickbond....then you are stuffed!

 

[aflemi]

bath panels can be created loads of ways....

wedi,hardi,ply, plasterboard (tanked), this one was created with ply over 2x2 carcuss:

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note the 4 little screw caps.....other ways can make them invisible!...unless brickbond....then you are stuffed!

Can't open that mate................:mad2:

 

[dagger]

Can't open that mate................:mad2:

sorry....jetlag..........ooooooooh

 

[dagger]

bath panels can be created loads of ways....

wedi,hardi,ply, plasterboard (tanked), this one was created with ply over 2x2 carcuss:

note the 4 little screw caps.....other ways can make them invisible!...unless brickbond....then you are stuffed!

here you go!

 

[bootsmckiber]

Don't even mess around second guessing yourself,use the right stuff and it won't come back to bite you in the backside,I'm sure any reputable tile supply store would steer you right,here in Canada I always use Hardi-board in the bathrooms then waterproof it with "Red Guard" or Mapei's "Maplastic HPG"haven't had a bathroom callback in 27 years,don't skimp on materials and your job should outlast you,good luck,Mike:welcome:

 

[simhopper]

Sorry, but I have to disagree.

Hardi is £7.50+vat but that is for the 6mm boards, not the 12mm. The 6mm boards are no good for panels only for overboarding a floor.
You can get 10mm Wedi (BA10 - 2500 x 600) approx £23+vat from CTD.
I agree it will be slightly more expensive than the Hardi but not vastly different.

The Wedi is cement lined fibreboard, so pretty strong too.

I pay £7.50+vat for 12mm, £9.75 +vat fot 6mm

Can you bend 12mm Hardibacker?It will snap before it bends, Wedi will bend easily.We use 12mm Hardibacker as a facing panel on wall hung wc pans, spacing is 550mm between timber and there is no movement when the bolts are tightened....Could a wedi board do this?

 

[bootsmckiber]

I've never heard of a WEDI board,is it exclusive to England cause I haven't heard of it across the pond,and along with that I'll say we do have other material more flexible,lighter,and yes more expensive,I was just stating what works for me,and like the old saying goes,if it ain't broken,don't fix it,just reseal it every few years

 

[Deleted member 1779]

I know I am not answering the question BUT

Its always worth considering a good old roll top!

If you can get-em (the clients) at the design stage saves a lot of fiddly!

 

[frank-e-boy]

Ive not tiled any bath panels, but I have ripped many of them out when re-fitting bathrooms. Most are tiled onto ply wood and dont seem to have any problems. As long as it is not flexing, you use the right adhesive and sela it correctly, you wont have any problems. No need to over engineer an simple problem IMO.

 

[bootsmckiber]

I wouldn't call it over engineering I'd call it doing the job right,they have certain materials for certain jobs and there's a reason for that.I don't know about England but over in the colonies we have a thing called "building code"and it is regulated,if the proper material isn't used in certain places,then it's getting ripped out and replaced at your expense ,I don't see what the bother is anyways,people looking for the cheap way out,the customer pays for the material,get the right stuf fand you won't be going back with your tail between your legs six months later,cheersMike

 

[tiler4u]

Hello,

I thinking, Hardibeckers boards + flexible adhesive and double check, if somthing moving you have to put some additional legings.

Sometimes i see people doing beautiful bath panels but there is no accsses panel. If something block you have to smash your briliant panel...

 

[Stu Lilley]

Schluters kerdi Board...the next generation of backer board..once you have used this you wont go back

 

[frank-e-boy]

I wouldn't call it over engineering I'd call it doing the job right,they have certain materials for certain jobs and there's a reason for that.I don't know about England but over in the colonies we have a thing called "building code"and it is regulated,if the proper material isn't used in certain places,then it's getting ripped out and replaced at your expense ,I don't see what the bother is anyways,people looking for the cheap way out,the customer pays for the material,get the right stuf fand you won't be going back with your tail between your legs six months later,cheersMike

So you have a building code for tiling a bath panel and it says not to use ply wood? New products are great, but ply wood is a pertectly good product for a bath panel. We're not talking about somehting over technical here after all.