self employment.....

i passed my test when I was 17..I called my self a driver...but my instructer said now the learning begins..how true was that..So when you spend 2 years on a plumbing course and pass..you are officially a plumber ?...no, because no amount of college will give you all scenarios...so when is it you call yourself a plumber...when you've passed ?
 
Your trying to say im going to be ripping people off lol... If I cant do the job.. I wont do the job and if I mess something up il stop.. Go and pay someone else to do it. If the end result is that the customer Is happy and the work is completed to a decent standard that is all thats needed. And im better than council standard so yeh I would class myself as a tiler... And as for a few weeks ive been doin it since December when I was laid off
 
I dont mind critisism tbh but "call yourself a tiler" is not very constructive is it... Why dont you explain to me why I cant undertake and be paid for a job I feel more than confident of? I respect people on this site as im grateful for everyone who posts with advise its a brilliant way to learn the theory of tiling and the rite way of doing the job.
 
You have been tiling since December 2012.

Ok does the tax man know this or are you still signing on.

You should inform the tax office within 30 days of going self employed. Have you done that.
 
you said "on a site for a few weeks and hes a tiler".. ive been learning since December 2012 not working as a tiler I havnt even been paid for any of my work... And I need to notify the tax man ive within 3 months of being paid for my first job get it rite mate... Before I start getting paid for work I will already be declared self employed dont worry about that.
 
You have been tiling since December 2012.

Ok does the tax man know this or are you still signing on.

You should inform the tax office within 30 days of going self employed. Have you done that.

let he without sin cast the first stone...ever done any cash jobs you haven't declared Dave ?
 
And dont tell me about the tax man can u honestly tell me you have never done a single job for cash and not declared it in your whole career as a tiler?
 
Nail on the head Ian... every chance some of these get they have a dig lol I couldnt be bothered tho im still gonna be browsing this site in 5 year time theres more than enough info and decent people who actual like the fact I asspire to be a decent tradesman and not a con artist... Thats all I am tryin to do. Simples
 
I asked have you registered with the tax office and not how you get paid.

Your reply says it all , another chancer charging for work illegally.
 
Mr T If you gonna be ,going out as a tiler mate you cant just go out half cocked,if your advertising as a tiler you need to be able to do all jobs not the ones you think you can do,it doesn't work like that,its like a plumber saying I can fit a sink but I can't fit a bath ,you can either do it all or not at all. am not having a go but 8 months down the line mate believe me your not ready to be self employed, what you said if I can't do it It wont will not wash when you start pricing jobs it will only give you a bad name, really not having a go mate but you do need a bit more experience.
 
Lol whatever you say mate... You had to start somewhere... This is my starting point... Now go and have a natter about me in the arms.
 
Nail on the head Ian... every chance some of these get they have a dig lol I couldnt be bothered tho im still gonna be browsing this site in 5 year time theres more than enough info and decent people who actual like the fact I asspire to be a decent tradesman and not a con artist... Thats all I am tryin to do. Simples

so from what I understand from Daves assumption of you is..your unemployed..got kids..signing on...claiming housing benefit...child tax benefits...all of which you maybe entitled to..and maybe be moonlighting as a tiler...but all assumptions ? ...I don't know you..however if you have decided to get yourself a trade..practice on your family and start taking on jobs within your comfort Zone then why is it a problem that some elite tilers feel threatened or for that matter angry or bitter that you "may" call yourself a tiler, when do you call yourself a tiler..when you have done it for years.. learnt how to lay geometric original style tiles...who can tell us this ?...if someone is taking the interstate in taking in a trade and enjoys it then it should be encouraged...if you don't like what that person is asking and you have nothing positive to say why freek the need to dug this person out...it's a forum to help..not to discourage a trade that is in mist cases...by the general public...not understood..I mean all they see is a tub..some tiles and a wall..they don't know half if what's involved...I've said before there tilers and there's tilers...but there still tiles unless the individual thinks otherwise...because its still an area where I don't know when or who actually determines when new comers can be called tilers!
 
Cheers mz I know its not the best way to start mate but I really am capable of doingat least most of the smaller jobs out there and get paid doing it... Im not out to rip anyone off at all and I never will. If I cant do a job I will just say im too booked up. It wont damage my name at all and as I gain more experience I will move up at a cery slow pace maybe but il get there. But first things first I need to learn about self employment... Thats why I am on here askin the pros. Thanks matey
 
Ian I dont know mate but I have spent endless hours on this sites, other sites, getting advice, working for free and it goes on... I do feel I can do the smaller jobs and I still have so much to learn. But as long as my work is up to scratch I dont see why I cant at least call myself a tilerto a potential customer. And yeh I absolutely love tiling.
 
I know you are passionate about being a tiler but what is rattling me and I am very sure quite a few others sitting back , is the fact you are blatantly saying you are charging for work and not even registered to do so.

Some tilers are struggling for work and then you pop up charging for work and still claiming benefits.

If I have got it wrong then ffs say so , as i am getting very annoyed to the fact if I knew who you are I would lay you in.
 
Well let me start with... I dont and have not to this date charged anybody for my tiling... I questioned you on avoiding tax because you assumed I am doing so. I am on benefits and today have had a descussion with my benefits advisor that if I find any paid tiling work all I need to do is declare it and they will just deduct money form me. Its not only tilers struggling the whole country has gone to REMOVED thats the reason I looked into learning a trade in the first place. And as for threats of violence theres no need...
 
So now its threats...FFS.. would you lay in gypsies..going round in flash new vans...cars...£30k caravans...never paying tax..and the tax office not having any way of tracking them, or even bothering.....doing cash work and not paying tax...or is it just moonlighting tilers..

Dave..you have asked MR T many questions..why don't you answer if you have done any cash work and not claimed tax ?...its a simple question...times are changing...guys coming in to tiling as a professional are few and far between...yes chancers and bodgers are taking your work..but its like the Chinese..people are realising buying cheap rubbish is not economical..and as soon as the public realise hiring fly by nights..and yes people still get gypsies to do work and get ripped off.even after all the programs on dodgy builders..then the work will return..you may be right about Mr T....but can you not PM him rather than on an open forum as it shows that this forum is aggressive and in some cases un welcoming....
 
Threats of violence. ? Where.

Lay you in. Means report you to tax man lol.


Now you have explained yourself then fair enough but you need to make sure what you type on here is clear.

I do not want to have any fall outs but I read your unclear bragging I have tiled since December and saw red.

Now smile and crack on. 🙂
 
Mr T the building trade in general has a pretty bad name whereby one of the first concerns going through a customers head is 'How do I not get ripped off and how do I know they will do a good job?"

Now you're going to argue you will only take on 'small' jobs and you're not trying to 'rip someone off', That might be your intention now but you've already stated that you're going down this route because you want to provide for your family, which is all very admirable until the need to provide for your family is so great that you do take on that job which is beyond you capabilities, you might just pull it off, you also might just mess it up and end up ripping that customer off inadvertantly, even more so when you don't have the financial resource to hold your hands up and pay someone else to do it including the replacement of materials.

You've spent a long time on the forum so i'm sure you'll notice just how many jobs get undertaken by people that are well out of their comfort zone, you'll also notice the misery it causes.

Ok say you do manage to reel yourself in and refuse to undertake anything but the simpilest of jobs. Your answer is that you'll tell the customer 'I'm really busy so can't do it' in order to save face and not ruin your 'reputation'. All well and good, but i'm afraid when talking through the job with the customer they will either realise you don't know how to do it because you can't answer their questions... or you'll make the answer up. This is damaging to the industry and trade in general as it makes customers even more distrusting of the next guy to walk through the door, or worse they get their judgement questioned when the customer says 'The last guy didn't tell me that and he said you can just do x"

Nobody is trying to stop you from earning a living, they are trying to protect their trade which is littered with far too many people undertaking jobs they have no idea how to do.

You're fairly young and just like everyone of the guys on here who were once your age, maybe just a little too self confident. I bet if you ask, almost all on here would say they hit a certain age, looked back on their younger self and thought "damn I was cocky sod and maybe I didn't know as much as I thought I did and maybe wasn't so good as I thought I was"

But you won't agree with that and you'll think you're different... I know because that's exactly what everyone else thought when they were your age. It's just life.
 
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So now its threats...FFS.. would you lay in gypsies..going round in flash new vans...cars...£30k caravans...never paying tax..and the tax office not having any way of tracking them, or even bothering.....doing cash work and not paying tax...or is it just moonlighting tilers..

Dave..you have asked MR T many questions..why don't you answer if you have done any cash work and not claimed tax ?...its a simple question...times are changing...guys coming in to tiling as a professional are few and far between...yes chancers and bodgers are taking your work..but its like the Chinese..people are realising buying cheap rubbish is not economical..and as soon as the public realise hiring fly by nights..and yes people still get gypsies to do work and get ripped off.even after all the programs on dodgy builders..then the work will return..you may be right about Mr T....but can you not PM him rather than on an open forum as it shows that this forum is aggressive and in some cases un welcoming....



Gypsies lol , ok that is another thread.

Ian I am a legitimate business and pay my taxes in full , I sub-contract and 20% is deducted.
Simples. When I do domestic work I give an invoice and all goes through the books.
 
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Lol I think I come across as cocky when typing in this forum mate but I really am not. I already do look back on my younger self as I feel about 40. But on a serious side the last couple of months ive realised that when I put a bit of confidence into my work I really make a propper job of it. I wouldnt risk putting a customers home life in dispare and would not accept a job unless I felt ready. And if the situation did arise where the custome has realised I dont know what to do for a certain job I will own up and wont bother trying to lie my way out. And that really is how honest a man I am. I am in no way the type of bloke to rip off people and I will never take the money and run. But as you say I dont have the funds to repair failed tiling but I will have by the time I have to cross that road... Many people on this site go onabout customers not letting the tradesmen rectify there work. So even the pros must make mistakes. But all in all I am not ready for any of that as of yet and im not looking to go self employed next week just want to start learning about it as I will do my own taxes. Cheers mate
 
Gypsies lol , ok that is another thread.

Ian I am a legitimate business and pay my taxes in full , I sub-contract and 20% is deducted.
Simples. When I do domestic work I give an invoice and all goes through the books.


then i hereby name you "very honest john"...which is more than I can say about the people we elect to run our country...expenses...loop holes spring to mind..try it sometime..you only live once...

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Lol I think I come across as cocky when typing in this forum mate but I really am not. I already do look back on my younger self as I feel about 40. But on a serious side the last couple of months ive realised that when I put a bit of confidence into my work I really make a propper job of it. I wouldnt risk putting a customers home life in dispare and would not accept a job unless I felt ready. And if the situation did arise where the custome has realised I dont know what to do for a certain job I will own up and wont bother trying to lie my way out. And that really is how honest a man I am. I am in no way the type of bloke to rip off people and I will never take the money and run. But as you say I dont have the funds to repair failed tiling but I will have by the time I have to cross that road... Many people on this site go onabout customers not letting the tradesmen rectify there work. So even the pros must make mistakes. But all in all I am not ready for any of that as of yet and im not looking to go self employed next week just want to start learning about it as I will do my own taxes. Cheers mate

trouble is you type how you speak..which is why the assumption has been made i guess
 
Lol im actually a quiet bloke most the time... people even tell me I need to come out me shell more even still at 24 lol.
 
Just to make it clear I'm not saying what your type on this forum is cocky, it's the fact you think you're ready to go out and start working for yourself with such little experience.

Beside all of this, you could be a great tiler and absolutely suck as a businessman. Getting the work can be just as hard as doing the job, the way most people get around this is by offering the cheapest price which again only harms the industry as those people that are trying to make a real business out of it.
 
Lol I think I come across as cocky when typing in this forum mate but I really am not. I already do look back on my younger self as I feel about 40. But on a serious side the last couple of months ive realised that when I put a bit of confidence into my work I really make a propper job of it. I wouldnt risk putting a customers home life in dispare and would not accept a job unless I felt ready. And if the situation did arise where the custome has realised I dont know what to do for a certain job I will own up and wont bother trying to lie my way out. And that really is how honest a man I am. I am in no way the type of bloke to rip off people and I will never take the money and run. But as you say I dont have the funds to repair failed tiling but I will have by the time I have to cross that road... Many people on this site go onabout customers not letting the tradesmen rectify there work. So even the pros must make mistakes. But all in all I am not ready for any of that as of yet and im not looking to go self employed next week just want to start learning about it as I will do my own taxes. Cheers mate

Which is why you have come on here to ask the questions so you do it right..right ?...I think the worst thing to do to protect a tilers trade is to open a forum telling people how to do it 😳 .and to use the correct materials and tools...the dog tooth method helped me out no end...am i taking away a tilers work when i go and quote..talk with the customer and do a complete strip out of a bathroom..plumb tile paint etc etc..giving me 6 days work instead of 4 as i should really be passing 2 days work to a pro tiler...I need to feed my kids to you know :sofahide:
 
I understand mate. Just for the record I realise I may be taking the work from other tilers but if I feel confident I will do the job and do it propperly il spend the hard earned with a big grin. I plan to make a real business out of this and I may turn out a bad business man but I have to start somewhere. If I could get into the arms I would be able to ask people about what I need to know when pricing as I see this is a touchy subject and the last thing I want to do is undersell myself. But im not allowed as I dont trade at this moment in time... But it would be better if I could have this information beforehand. But rules are rules I can live with that.
 
yea..if its giving knowledge to "so called tilers" that may jeopordise a pros work..why not...you only need one ? Dave :82:
 
Dont say that Ian lol... This site has been the biggest help to me to no end... And will be in the future. Ive even got to work under one of the pros on here and it was a pleasure to do so.
 

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