Giving new tilers false hope?

[jonesy7]

why do you let these Muppet's advertise on a tilers forum. saying they can teach you to tile in four weeks, at extortionate prices when anybody with any knowledge of tiling noes it takes at least 3 year apprenticeship. and after twenty years of tiling iam still learning. your giving these people out there false hope and are letting them down and letting them waste there money.

 

[Varley]

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Not saying you are wrong mate, just seems like there are a lot of tilers on this forum who have done these courses and are doing very well for themselves, making a good reputation.

 

[jonesy7]

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nobody can learn to tile in two weeks i don't care what you say you ask other tilers who have been tiling years . the people they are tiling for don't no any better so they get away with it the person running this web site should no better if he,s a pro tiler

 

[Varley]

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I think there are a few people on here who may disagree with you mate, but everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

 

[DHTiling]

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Well i have been tiling for 17+ yrs now and yes i served my time and yes it was hard slog at times and i know there are numerous training centres popping up but everybody needs to learn somewhere, some of these training centres are out for quick buck but some are genuinly helping first timers be it diy or people wanting to re-train to get a feel for tiling ,learning the basics is a start to a good career. these forums are designed for newcomers to get help off us time served tradesmen if they get stuck or just need reassurance, not for people to slag off advertisers, we should encourage these newcomers not discourage them .. dave...

 

[Varley]

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Well i have been tiling for 17+ yrs now and yes i served my time and yes it was hard slog at times and i know there are numerous training centres popping up but everybody needs to learn somewhere, some of these training centres are out for quick buck but some are genuinly helping first timers be it diy or people wanting to re-train to get a feel for tiling ,learning the basics is a start to a good career. these forums are designed for newcomers to get help off us time served tradesmen if they get stuck or just need reassurance, not for people to slag off advertisers, we should encourage these newcomers not discourage them .. dave...

Spoken like a true gentleman, I salute you Sir :thumbs_up:

 

[formula one]

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nice one dave i did a 4 day tiling courses at n.e.t.t in march this year todate
i have add 16 jobs some big ones . and some small tiling jobs not one of my customers have told me my work was **** , i am now on the books of a architect & interior designer, i think he can see how good the workmanship is i am now doing a job for a top prem footballer .and as for nett allways they for you phone or e/mail helps they 🙂

 

[laurami tiling]

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lol a top footballer in stockton dont make me laugh :wink_smile:
well said that man mr howe . always thought they were nice chaps in aycliffe lol

tony

 

[formula one]

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so you dont no [SIZE=-1]Wynyard🙂 and never told you who he plays for did i ?:wink_smile:
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[Fekin]

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Yes a 4 week course is short, a 4 day ones even shorter, but you have 3 types of people that go on them.

1. There will be some people who no matter what amount of time they spend being shown the ropes and fixing tile, will never be able to go out and do a decent paying job.

2. Others will be able to get there but it might take a year or more.

3. Then you also have pleanty of people who once shown how to set the job out and how to get tiles cut and level, only need a couple of small jobs to start getting their speed up, and do a decent tile job.

In a nutshell, some people pick things up quicker than others.

 

[tiler tom]

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I am one of those so called novices that started on the back of a 2 week course and have been congratulated on what a good job I have done (better than what was here previously) have you not thought that this might be down to wanting to do a good job rather than in and out with the cash in the back pocket. What with a bit of trainig and wanting to get a good reputation a couple of weeks can go a long way.

 

[DHTiling]

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🙂 keep smiling all u newbies this type of ignorance is typicle of some people. ( jealousy!!!!).......

 

[BrhTiling]

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I don't think these courses are offering false hope at all.... Some courses are totally inadequate and in no way live up the the promise of a professional training course...

However other courses cover all the basics and give you the knowledge you will need in a lot of domestic work.

A lot of people do home improvements and take on work for family / friends after doing a course in order to build up experience and confidence before going fully self-employed.

In all seriousness, how would you (or anyone else critising a intensive course) suggest that someone unemployed or employed in a dead end job go about training to become a tiler with no previous experience at all???

Not many colleges offer tiling and apprenticeships seem hard to come by and not even availible for those over 25 years old... not to mention the fact that you don't get paid a living and would spend basically years doing donkey work before actually learning anything.

 

[enduro]

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I have been tiling for a couple of years, i did a coures with Alpine training group, from Rye, east sussex. I know you will not learn everything overnight but this site is for advice and help people who have just started out so the dont make mistakes, i have got some very good info from other tilers on here. most of my work is with architects, interior designers, builders and i work on very high profile jobs, so if people dont like this site dont come on here... simple

 

[lm tiles]

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I'd been tiling odd jobs over the years and ended up with quite a bit of work ,even getting work off other pro tilers. i liked tiling so decided to do a fast course just to satisfy myself i was doing things correctly . been self employed now 2 years and love it . Private work and contracts off quite large building firms. Those tilers that are good enough and willing enough will make it .

 

[DevonR]

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I don't know why you warrant replies on posts like this to be honest.
The guy comes on knows nothing of any members and then goes on to critisise the forum and all the hard work and effort that goes into it's maintenance. What a joke.
The top and bottom of this is, as per usual that the "time served" are losing work to newbies and don't like it. For too long as with many other trades these time served have been able to command premium rates and monopolise the market. What a shame. There's nothing wrong with a bit of competition.
Beleive me I have seen some alleged time served work and it's to say the least amusing. Using grout where they can't be bothered to cut round (or remove) items such as cupboard plinths. Not using spacers, no doubt there for newbies too, not to mention keeping a nice line. Wonky grout does not look nice. I could go on if you like. And layout...layout some of it is laughable, do they know BS layout techniques?
When you've bothered to browse through the gallery or seen some work first hand then please come back and point out what has been done wrong and offer us some of your experience and knowledge to learn from but until then at least have some respect for the forum and it's members, or are they taking too much of your custom from you?

 

[DHTiling]

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hear, hear . plus if he's been tiling 20 yrs he should be well established like myself so no amount of newcomers should affect his regular work.

 

[GazLC81]

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nobody can learn to tile in two weeks i don't care what you say you ask other tilers who have been tiling years . the people they are tiling for don't no any better so they get away with it the person running this web site should no better if he,s a pro tiler

Who is this guy? The World authority on tiling? :icon8:

 

[GazTech]

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Nothing to say now Jonesy???:wink_smile:

 

[Varley]

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I thought this post might arouse some interest LMAO

 

[DevonR]

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hear, hear . plus if he's been tiling 20 yrs he should be well established like myself so no amount of newcomers should affect his regular work.

Exactly Dave.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Any tradesman worth his salt has a business built on trust, excellent service and recommendations. Not one Pole, 4 day tiler or anyone else for that matter will change that or take away his genuine business.
Sure there are folk who want a cheap job who end up going driving the business down but you should be confident enough to walk away from this work. I would and I'm only just setting out in the tiling world.
Theres room for us all to have a nice life out of tiling why should it only be reserved for the 20 years plus club? And some time served want to look at why they loose business. Because they become complaicent. They expect to get a job and then perform a sub standard level of workmanship, because they can there 20 years plus don't you know.
I swear to god you should see my mates kitchen. From a highly recommended established tiler. 3.5 sqm splashback, £400+ materials in ceramic. Little off cuts of tiles bodged in gaps, grout used where rounded plinthes left a corner triangle missing, no spacers and no straight lines anywhere, poorly marked out and the list goes on. Horrendous!

 

[jonesy7]

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muppet

 

[Fekin]

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That was really your chance to argue your point.

 

[BrhTiling]

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muppet

Why don't you put a constructive argument across rather than just calling all us newbie tilers muppets?

I don't have the 'time served' experience I admit, but I still work to a high standard and have had no complaints and plenty of praise.... Tiling isn't rocket science and most of the work is done before you even start laying tiles... Marking out, laying out.. surface prep.. etc etc...

I think you will also find most new tilers will just turn down work they can't complete to a high standard... where as a lot of 'time served' guys will just charge the earth and do a sloppy job!

 

[DevonR]

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muppet

A well rounded argument offered there.

 

[Dan]

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I think *some* of the many short course-type training centres are doing well.

And there are many centres now applying for the NVQ ([DLMURL="http://www.ableskills.co.uk/tiling-nvq.htm"]example[/DLMURL]) and started out doing short courses non qualification related.

I think that the tilers coming from them can be far better than some of the college colleges I have known of. Although some of the colleges are excellent and are always on the TTA website for winning awards and such.

I feel what makes the industry as a whole, as some of all the types of tilers. And I think the ones we need less of are the moaning old ones to be honest 😀 (joke)

 

[alberttrotter1]

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Dear forum,
As a newbie, Its disheartning to hear that there are tilers out there that sadly believe that they are that elite that no-one else can join in (Its my ball-springs to mid).
I completed a 4 week course 1 month ago, Im now doing the floor in my own place in Spain, which some MUPPET wanted to charge me the same as what it cost for my course.
I ask for any person reading this to work out what i've done wrong by learning only a few of the skills required to work in this exciting department of the skills trade with a fantastic oppurtunity to learn more.
My 1 and only paying job (so far) was to complete a small section of a splashback that a so called 20yr+ experienced/time done tiler could'nt be arsed to finish and he poorly attempted to grout the join between the tiles and worktop????. I left the ladies house with a couple of bob in my pocket, A brilliant experience from doing my "1st job" and i'm currently in the number 1 slot to do her full bathroom and her mums toilet.

I (personnally) have found this "Forum" and the advice i have received to be priceless and i very much look forward to using it in the long future to come.
FORUM users - Keep up the great work.
Jonesy7 - Shame on you.

 

[GazLC81]

a GOOD Tiler needs to be neither time served, or new to the trade and full of enthusiasm. A GOOD tiler is somebody who takes pride in there work and WANTS to do a good job. Not someone who wants to make a quick buck.

When I undertake a job I want to walk away confident that I have done a good job and that the customer is happy. I am new to the trade but I know I do a good job so if i'm a muppet then fine!

I'm proud of it! 😀

 

[formula one]

dan can we have a muppets? room only 🙂 jokeing

 

[BrhTiling]

a GOOD Tiler needs to be neither time served, or new to the trade and full of enthusiasm. A GOOD tiler is somebody who takes pride in there work and WANTS to do a good job. Not someone who wants to make a quick buck.

This is what I was trying to get at, as long as the customer is happy and you know what you have done will last (IE: not fall off the wall in 2 weeks), then I don't see why it matters if you are time served.

Honest days work for an honest days pay... IMO a some experienced tradesmen expect the pay without the work!

 

[laurami tiling]

ive just done a job , where customer fitted a new kitchen < splashback needed just the tiles replacing where new work top was fitted lower and a wall unit been replaced with a extractor fan, uplift old ceramic tiles on floor and replace with new ones,
now the guy who fitted tiles origenly is an instuctor at hm prison teaching the cons building work, this guy was a pro tiler in civie life ,jeez what a crap job , splash back grout line had a slope like jordans **** and the floor had more steps than durham cathedral tower plus he stoped the tile 2 inches from doorway into hall which he filled with grout ,
also when old tiles where lifted i noticed he had used a flippin 3mm wall trowel to lay floor tiles , there was only a small section of addy touching the floor. how these tiles never cracked beggers me .
just goes to show theres some top notch time served fixers and some friggin lousey fixers just like newbies ,
pride has a lot to do with how good a job is done , theres no feeling better in the world than looking at a completed job nicely polished off and the customer with a beaming smile on their chops now thats job satisfaction .(even better when its cash lol )

got keyboard finger now from all this typing , i need to lie down and intake some cider

tony