Too much water added to the grout? I have a bucket next to me.. hmm. - TilersForums.com

[Hars]

I have BAL grey SPF and followed the instructions of 5 parts powder to 1 part water.

3.5/5 = 0.7l water. I literally measured out 0.7 litres of water and put it in the bucket, mixed it up but it seems really wet and runny.

it doesnt stick to the end of the trowel and looks kinda like a milkshake.

Unsure of whether to use it or not? Can I let it sit for 10 mins and then use it or just scrap it and go buy another bag.

Thanks...

 

[Gazzer]

Sorry mate but you woulld be better adding more powder but i feel you dont have any more. So you will need another bag. Try less water this time.

 

[sWe]

I have BAL grey SPF and followed the instructions of 5 parts powder to 1 part water.

3.5/5 = 0.7l water. I literally measured out 0.7 litres of water and put it in the bucket, mixed it up but it seems really wet and runny.

it doesnt stick to the end of the trowel and looks kinda like a milkshake.

Unsure of whether to use it or not? Can I let it sit for 10 mins and then use it or just scrap it and go buy another bag.

Thanks...

You did the right thing to measure up the water, but it's normally a good thing to add about half of it first, mix, and then add a little as you go. The thing is, that while 1 part water to five parts powder may be the correct mix when dealing with 15-20kg, it may be too much when mixing small amounts, mostly because the amount of powder in the bag may not be exactly 3.5kg (it may be 3.4kg for example), and the measured amount of water may be a bit off too.
There may also be slight variations in the quality of the powder compared to the sample the manufacturer based the mixing instructions on.

The rule of thumb is, that the greater the amount, the smaller the margin of error, and the smaller the amount, the greater the margin of error.

Always put 1/2 to 2/3 of the water in first, then the powder, and mix to a homogenous consistency, and then add more water. Always keep a couple of handfuls of powder in case you accidentaly add too much water. Know that it's preferable to add more water to adding more powder, because adding powder may cause lumps and poor homogeneousness.

And yes, it's best if you buy another bag.

 

[sWe]

When dealing with such small amounts of grout, even a tablespoon of water can make "just right" grout go "too wet".

 

[Hars]

Always put 1/2 to 2/3 of the water in first, then the powder, and mix to a homogenous consistency, and then add more water.

Thanks guys. I just got back from topps with another bag (the guy gave me the bag at trade price which was nice). Hate wasting money but I best get it right the first time.

I did think of adding 350ml of water and then slowly adding powder but on the bag it says don't add water to the mix as it will effect the strength? I then measured out 700ml VERY carefully with a measuring jug from the kitchen as I wanted to get it right. I'm actually a bit peeved that it's turned out SO runny it's pourable, by following the instructions.

Oh well, I will do as you suggested and put in half the water and slowly add the powder and then water to see how I get on.

This forum is awesome, thanks again!

 

[Hars]

When dealing with such small amounts of grout, even a tablespoon of water can make "just right" grout go "too wet".

Hmm if the margin for error is so small perhaps my measuring jug is off. Thanks for posting this, I didnt realise it was that finicky!

 

[sWe]

I did think of adding 350ml of water and then slowly adding powder but on the bag it says don't add water to the mix as it will effect the strength?

That's correct, but it refers to when the grout/adhesive has started to go off in the bucket, not when doing the initial mixing. After you've mixed the grout/adhesive, let it mature for 3-5 minutes. It tends to stiffen a bit after around 5 minutes. Don't add more water then; just give it a quick stirr with the mixer and it'll revert to the consistency it had just after you'd finished mixing it, and it'll stay like that for most of its bucketlife. If it goes "stiffish" within the product bucketlife, you can just give it another quick stirr or two. It'd say it's generally ok to adjust the water/powder content of the mix within 10 minutes after the initial mixing. That may vary though, especially if it's rapidset.
Don't use products which have passed their bucketlife, because that's inviting trouble.

Hmm if the margin for error is so small perhaps my measuring jug is off. Thanks for posting this, I didnt realise it was that finicky!

Mixing large amounts is easier than mixing small amounts, which is a bit of a dark art at times

 

[Hars]

That's correct, but it refers to when the grout/adhesive has started to go off in the bucket, not when doing the initial mixing. After you've mixed the grout/adhesive, let it mature for 3-5 minutes. It tends to stiffen a bit after around 5 minutes. Don't add more water then; just give it a quick stirr with the mixer and it'll revert to the consistency it had just after you'd finished mixing it, and it'll stay like that for most of its bucketlife. If it goes "stiffish" within the product bucketlife, you can just give it another quick stirr or two. It'd say it's generally ok to adjust the water/powder content of the mix within 10 minutes after the initial mixing. That may vary though, especially if it's rapidset.
Don't use products which have passed their bucketlife, because that's inviting trouble.



Mixing large amounts is easier than mixing small amounts, which is a bit of a dark art at times

Thanks for the advice! Second time worked a charm. Now to just get that pesky grey haze off the black tiles!

I washed it down twice but it seems to be sticking around. Am I right in thinking I can let it dry for a couple of days and then buff it off with a soft cloth? It's on black ceramic tiles.

Got the walls tiles and the floor grouted. Looks pretty good! A little irregularities here and there but I'm pretty stoked.

There must be something wrong with me, spent all saturday and night tiling whilst my mates were out drinking! :lol:

 

[Smithy153]

Yeah let the tiles dry and buff up with a dry cloth and make them shine. Then stand back and admire your handy work :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Hars]

Yeah let the tiles dry and buff up with a dry cloth and make them shine. Then stand back and admire your handy work :smilewinkgrin:

Ha! Or lack thereof!

Will post pics when it's finished so you can all have a laugh. Have to let the wall dry overnight and I'll hit the grouting tomorrow evening. :yikes: