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oh dear Brian

im sorry you are taking this attitude, im not sure who you are directing your comments at but it doesnt fit anyone who has disagreed with you

im not going to argue with you Brian, I know im right and how I run my business , I dont need to prove myself to you

anyone reading this thread as they are learning or need to know if its advisable to tile on tile please note the comments made and the advice given and then decide if your rep and your bank balance is worth gambling on someone elses bathroom

the market place is tough and its been made tougher by the number of tradesmen who will cut corners and take chances in order to bring the price down, fortunatly there also a number of tradesmen who would rather do the job right even if it means they may lose the work

funny how those same tradesmen are always busy at a proper rate while the risktakers are cutting each others throats to gain work
 
mikethetile i dont cut corners ,re read my post, i am a tradesman i am a TILER ONLY who charges a very reosonable rate thanks like i say re read my posts my intention is to try and offer honest answers not to try and rip people offand remember i didnt ask you to reply,imean no malice to anyone just look back everyone to there own opinion but iknow who,s advise i would take.
 
right, before this thread starts getting out of hand I shall collate the responses here.

some members say that tiling on to existing tiles is possible, but you have to be ultra sure that the existing tiles are stuck solid. the remaining members do not disagree that it is possible; merely that it is bad practice due to the unknown of weight issues and stability of the existing tiles and substrate.

the best possible advice on offer in this thread, in answer to Clueless' question, is that No, tiling on tile is not recommended regardless of how much the customer is adamant that they do not want the existing tiles removing. if Clueless wants to take on the job, he needs to be prepared for the risk that his job on top of an existing job may (or may not) cause a failure which could come back to bite him in the backside. who will the customer blame if the new and existing tiles come away from the wall and fall on top of someone's head?

everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and I think now everybody's opinion has now been voiced. tiling on tile is deemed to be a bad practice and only acceptable in situations where there are seriously no other options left. if the customer is being too tight fisted to remove the tiles, then the customer is clearly not looking for a quality job.
 
Brian the Tile said:
ive heard enough now,you will be glad to know i wont be bothering with this site any more now .
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That's a shame Brian.... as someone who has the wealth of experience that you say you have, it's a pity you can't hang around to pass that on to the tiling public at large, that come to this forum to get advice and share their own knowledge. I for one, learn something new on a weakly basis as products and methods change with the times, and though I may not agree with everything, that everyone else has to say.... open debate and the shared wealth of knowledge on forums such as this, are a breath of fresh air, and a great place to join in.........
 
Brian the Tile said:
mikethetile i dont cut corners ,re read my post, i am a tradesman i am a TILER ONLY who charges a very reosonable rate thanks like i say re read my posts my intention is to try and offer honest answers not to try and rip people offand remember i didnt ask you to reply,imean no malice to anyone just look back everyone to there own opinion but iknow who,s advise i would take.
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Me too, and there is strength in numbers. Anyone reading this I hope will understand what the advice has been. Even though those giving the advice are not going to gain but just giving good sound advice....which is what we like to do here.
 
Brian the Tile said:
so maybe all theese year i may have been dooing it wrong???. Well i do take that tobe personal so look,when you have more experience andhave been doing the job half as long as i havethen i might listen to youbut until then dont try to tell your grandma how to suck eggs,you may have a lot of posts but that doesnt make you any better than the next man.Like i say i have a lot of experience,been doing the job along time and am also time seved,not a 2 week colledge course my friend,so you to dont take this to persnallyand remember your only as good as your last job.
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mmmmmmmm im not happy about a tiler giving out crap advice and then banging the i have done it for years drum :yikes: :mad2:
 
Brian the Tile said:
what a wealth of knowlege you all are on here ,idont know how i have managed without this site fo so many years,now what afew of you need to do is get out there and do the job,get some experience behind you before you tell others what to do and what not to do ill leave the ametuers to do the talking,for those few on here that know the job my appoligies,but as for a lot of you you know who you are, save the drivel and listen to them that know.
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I've been doing the job for 29 years now Brian, does that count as "experienced"? I do get out there and do it, I'm also passionate about my trade and like to chip in and help people with their queries, (hence quite a large post count). Nothing is ever resolved if it's not discussed and that's what this forum is all about.
 
Brian the Tile said:
what a wealth of knowlege you all are on here ,idont know how i have managed without this site fo so many years,now what afew of you need to do is get out there and do the job,get some experience behind you before you tell others what to do and what not to do ill leave the ametuers to do the talking,for those few on here that know the job my appoligies,but as for a lot of you you know who you are, save the drivel and listen to them that know.
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Brian, I hope you don't consider me to be an amateur, I have been a professional tiler for 43yrs 30 odd yrs self employed. I have worked in every conceivable aspect of this industry, from running big industrial jobs to domestics. All over this country and abroad. I don't feel the need to justify my opinions here.


I am sorry if you don't agree with the the majority of the members with regard to tile on tile, but I do hope you will bare in mind the points raised, for future reference. This site is imo as good as it gets, and I have a lot of respect for it's members. I hope you will stick around long enough to see the benefit.

Regards, Phil.:thumbsup:
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dont be so hasty Brian

stay on the forum and learn

ive read through your posts , two things struck me, one the kind of advice you give out to the less experianced ie tiling direct onto vinyl tiles and tile on tile

the second is that you have gone quite and dont have much on up to xmas, after tiling for 38 yrs you should be immune from the ups and downs of the market and have steady work

I think you need to spend time on here and see what differences you can make to your business and the methods you are using
 
Phil Hobson said:
Brian, I hope you don't consider me to be an amateur, I have been a professional tiler for 43yrs 30 odd yrs self employed. I have worked in every conceivable aspect of this industry, from running big industrial jobs to domestics. All over this country and abroad. I don't feel the need to justify my opinions here.


I am sorry if you don't agree with the the majority of the members with regard to tile on tile, but I do hope you will bare in mind the points raised, for future reference. This site is imo as good as it gets, and I have a lot of respect for it's members. I hope you will stick around long enough to see the benefit.

Regards, Phil.:thumbsup:
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Jeez Phil, you started tiling when I just started primary school!:thumbsup:
 
Hang on in Bri, I'm sure you'll benefit.
I've been tiling almost 18yrs home & abroad and I consider myself a novice when I read some of the posts from the elite lads on this forum...change is hard but in every job, its the only constant.
Stick around mate.

Regards,
Mike
 
Dode89 said:
Just read through the full thread and after reading the first few posts though "there mad you CAN tile on tile its a no brainer " wellllll I will never let a customer leave my work thinking tiling on tile is a expectable practice ever again, I am well aware of weight issues etc but have always been of the opinion that a flexible cemented based adhesive with a smaller tile would never be a problem.......scary how wrong i was! again thanks this really has opened my eyes! I would also like to say a lot of the 6 week course tilers seem to get a lot of stick from time served tilers, but in my experience they are a lot more clued up on the technical side that the older generation who seem to think that because they learned to tile in the 70s they are somehow some sort of messiah on tiling and do not need advice, I think the key to everything in life, be it tiling or rocket science is to keep a open mind and be ready to take on other opinions, a brilliant quote is "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.” anyway this is my first proper post so hello everyone :d
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Stick with the forum Dode89 and you'll learn something everyday, most of us on here still do
 
welcome aboard dode

you are spot on mate, the more we know the more we realise we dont know and have more to learn. I have learnt a lot from this forum and its saved my business

theres an incredible amount of skill and experiance on here and not just from the older hands, a lot of the youngsters are on top of their game too

keep posting you are a true tradesman
 
Well, what a very interesting thread we have here. 🙂

I don't think I can add anything that hasn't been said already other than, Phil, you started out when I was a mere twinkle in my mums eye. 🙂

And Brian, please do have a good read of the forum before giving up. I think you could learn quite a bit. I'd have thought Wales was cut off from the rest of the world if we didn't already have so many good Welsh tilers on here which just proves you must be an odd one.

Hopefully all those jobs you've done tiling on tile will not cause any serious injuries to those using the bath/shower etc should the tiles fall off with some weight behind them and lots of sharp edges, which is the reason there are standards and weight limits for every substrate.

As for the pensioner who wants their new tiles on top of the old ones, maybe a re-grout job would suffice if they're stuck on well enough?
 
I was in wales about a month ago Dan

what struck me as we wandered about the various towns was the amount of work that was going on and all to a good standard, I got chatting to several decorators doing outsides who told me they were booked solid into next year and if I could match their standard they had work for me, i can match their standard so its tempting

property prices are the same as where we are now so it wouldnt be so easy to move

no doubt wales has it rough areas like the rest of the uk but anyone who thinks wales is high unemployment and cheap holiday homes is well out of date. wales is doing very nicely and its a pleasure to meet so many skilled tradesmen
 
I can totally believe that mate. I love Wales myself and their buildings are mainly nice old solid ones. Not like these new flimsy wooden things they build these days.
 
jut to say i must apologise for my behavier yesterday no excuses i was out of order totaly and am truly sorry to anyone that i may have offended ,and once more my appoligies.
 
if old tiles are well put up and there are no uneven old tiles just grind the surface of old tiles so that the adhesive ardex d20 GOOD LUCK
 

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