Hi I'm Pawel new on forum and new in tiling (do 2 jobs)

[Scott]

Civil engineer sounds right. From that it sounds like the joists should be ok. What adhesive did you use on this job? Was it ready mixed or a cement based?

 

[doug boardley]

maybe a wind up addy

 

[Scott]

I really dont think this is a wind up, sadly!

 

[pawelnrg]

material:
pva uni-bond waterproof
MIRA 4400
wickes Flexible Rapid Setting Tile Adhesive (not ready mixed)
mapei ultracolor plus


and about a floor

 

[Colour Republic]

I'm afraid that wouldn't pass British building regs Pawelnrg, I understand what you've tried to do but the joists needed replacing not shoring up

 

[pawelnrg]

probably You right but when I work for one of large company in Brighton and I see people cutting long joists little bit more than 1/2 deep for fit pipe... joist in that house is about 3,2 m long.

I say: "joists needed replacing" but owner remind: "You work in that house is only make shower possibly to use and room under the shower dry"

on 1 page I post a photo of work with live socket under bathtub tenants complain than when they take shower fell like ants walking... (that wouldn't pass British building regs. as well :smilewinkgrin🙂 that is directly that photo

 

[nybor62]

shocking shocking:mad2:

 

[mikethetile]

Pawel

it doesnt matter what the landlord thinks is acceptable you are the proffessional builder on this job and you are liable if it fails

the joists neede replacing and if the landlord wont accept your advice, you walk away and let someone else bodge the job up

you claim to have an nvq3 in electrical, if this is correct you would have been taught not to drill the joist in critical areas

you also claim to be a civil technician and have worked on large structures

I believe you were a site operative and werent responsible for the structural work, I also believe that when that job finished you went on a training course to learn electrical work, you cannot work here as an electrician as you do not have the relevent experiance or quailifications

there is a problem in this country in that the rules pertaining to who is allowed to do what on site work doesnt apply in the domestic sector

anyone can do anything to a house with the owners permission, this has changed with electrical and plumbing, but anyone can call them self a builder and chop joists about

the landlord wanted someone to come in cheap and just bodge it, he doesnt care if it goes wrong as you are liable not him, in court he would claim that he didnt know what was what and you assure him you were a civil engineer and that you could repair the joist safely, you have no defence as you did go and repair the joist. the moment you start drilling the joists for bolts you became responsible for the structural strength

my advice to you Pawel is to go work for someone else untill you understand the uk building regs and uk building law

and do not touch any structural work untill you have been properly trained to do so

 

[Colour Republic]

probably You right but when I work for one of large company in Brighton and I see people cutting long joists little bit more than 1/2 deep for fit pipe... joist in that house is about 3,2 m long.

I say: "joists needed replacing" but owner remind: "You work in that house is only make shower possibly to use and room under the shower dry"

on 1 page I post a photo of work with live socket under bathtub tenants complain than when they take shower fell like ants walking... (that wouldn't pass British building regs. as well :smilewinkgrin🙂 that is directly that photo

Think of it like this....

In the UK your car needs an MOT inspection certificate for it to be road worthy. If your car fails an MOT test then you have to put the problems right before you can carry on driving it on public roads. If you ignore this then you can be prosecuted. If your car had say 5 problems but you only wanted to do 3 of them, then the mechanic can and will refuse to give you the MOT certificate. It is the same with building regs if the customer doesn't want to pay then you don't do the work or do half measures.

Say that floor collapses and the tenants get injured, then they will sue the landlord who will in turn sue you because you carried out the works.

I live and work in Brighton, If I had been to see that job and I advised the customer that the joists needed replacing and he refused to, then I would have told him that I would refuse to do any other work until it is sorted.

This means I would have lost a job and I know that he would find somebody that would do what he asked (in this case you). The difference is that I am not liable to prosecution where I’m afraid you are.


The fact other builders are carrying out shoddy work does not mean that it is OK.

 

[Scott]

The socket under a bath isnt too much of an issue, an RCD for a whirlpool bath can be sited under the bath as long as a tool is required to remove the panel.

The floor joists, oh dear. You went to all that effort to then notche them for a 40mm waste pipe :yikes:, why not just replace them?