dot and dab

[Ste450]

Didn't know there was hidden history, Ste450's post didn't look that bad to me.
Don't think anyone would be criticising the wealth of quality advise from experts on this site, it's second to none.
Seems like the d+d method is still well practiced, and perhaps not as outrageous as first implied.
It's very easy to be overly passionate about your point of view and sound a bit aggressive, especially if your not experienced in forum etiquette, and easy to be over defensive.
Either way, makes for good reading!

Thank you mate

 

[Ste450]

I spread and dot and dab and frequently combine...A lot of the walls I'm presented with leave no choice and I'm afraid it's all about the finish for me...I'll live with 60% coverage

I think I read somewhere a few years ago that the recommendation was 60-65% coverage

 

[hmtiling]

I think I read somewhere a few years ago that the recommendation was 60-65% coverage

i very much doubt that

 

[Ste450]

Love this thread.
Agree with Ste450, I use a combination of methods with large format tiles on bad walls, which 95% of walls are in my experience.
I spead wall, spread tile, dots where extra needed, then back fill edges.
Will sometimes just multi dot, then back fill, allways ensure this a healthy amout of excess adhesive sqeezed out as they're fixed.
Been using this method for a decade.
Had no failures.
Had to replace tiles after being damaged and all have had excellent coverage.
If walls were flat and plumb I'd trowel them, but so rarely are.
At the end of the day, both methods provide about the same amount of coverage.
Whatever gets the job done properly.
Ste450, it's easy to feel a bit picked on,
remember these guys on this site who are trusted advisors can only give advise conforming to current industry standards. Other members who don't will often have a different opinions.
If you post a picture on this site, it will be microscoped and any imperfections will be highlighted.
Don't feel like your getting picked on, it's the norm.

...but there were no imperfections

 

[Ste450]

To be honest and I'm not having a go but they fix to different substrates in Italy and Spain . I bring Spain in because I've been told by a tiler who used to live there it's basically thick bed splodging there as well . The problem is a 15mm solid bed would way 25 kilos not including tile weight onto plaster or plasterboard

Also, there are ma

i very much doubt that

And I think it was on the back of a tub of Mapei red top. But I can't say 100% for sure.

 

[hmtiling]

Also, there are ma


And I think it was on the back of a tub of Mapei red top. But I can't say 100% for sure.

Oh, ok.

 

[widler]

There's a bloke on a Facebook forum i go on for a laugh, biggest dicks I've ever come across (I know, that sounds a bit **** )
There's a tiler called simon benn from Leeds , if he comes on here 'hi Simon' ,
He always says he d&ds on every job, walls and floors ,and been doing it 20 years with no problems at all, his website /Facebook page work looks good , I will have a look for it now.

Found it
S,B,Tiling LTD - http://www.sbtiling.co.uk/

 

[Ste450]

To be honest and I'm not having a go but they fix to different substrates in Italy and Spain . I bring Spain in because I've been told by a tiler who used to live there it's basically thick bed splodging there as well . The problem is a 15mm solid bed would way 25 kilosnot including tile weight onto plaster or plasterboard

I can imagine that the recommendations for maximum weight are well under what it can actually take. We see it also with airline maximum speeds, we see it with sell by dates. Manufactures need to cover their arses big time, so they give a Maximum which will be well under fail zone, to do just that...cover their arses. Like I've said 13 years...no problems arrising from this. That's just myself, my old mans been in the building game for 40 years...

 

[Ttt1601]

I think there has been a bit of confusion between different ideas on this thread, if you say dot and dab, to me that is 5 spot method, which we ALL agree is wrong, this confusion has got people's back up on different sides of the discussion as they are talking different method and still not agreeing, to me, combing a wall with a notched trowel and back buttering is best, but only if you do it right and ensure coverage, ste knows his method of using many dabs works, compressed to achieve high rate coverage works, a method on bad walls I do use just a bit differently to ste, I and almost everyone agrees this method can have a place in the industry, if done correct, if ste chooses to do it all the time, does it right, gets good coverage and good results and good quality then to me the only issue across this whole thread really, is people's perception of what dot and dab or spot fixing actually means. 5 spot is wrong what are does isn't when done correctly

 

[widler]

I tiled a bathroom about ten years ago with quartz tiles on plasterboard , according to bs far too much weight , they are still on to this day , solid as a rock , you would pull the house down trying to get them off .