70m2 bathroom!!

[Sean fsy]

on of the largest bathrooms ive tackled, after a fire at the farm it had to be totally refurbed, unfortunately some one lost their lives in the fire. when the customers bought their bathroom tiles etc they asked the place for the name of a tiler who the they recommend, also the company in charge of the full resto project, and they also asked the joiner who done kitchen etc aswell. all 3 companies are based about 30 miles apart. Yes they all gave the one same number , MINE. so i undertook the work. bathroom was very large just short of 70m2 and the kitchen behind the propper aga cooker needed tiled aswell, just a mere 7m2.

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[Spud]

I would never use tubbed adhesive on porcelain no matter which brand it was, thats just my opinion after seeing a friend lose a lot of money when he tiled porcelain tiles on a commercial job with bucket sticky and the tiles were still moving after a week , he couldnt take his battens down or remove his spacers ,the builder condemned the job and he lost thousands of pounds it knocked his confidence so badly he jacked tiling in and went to work as a postman all because the tile shop had convinced him that it was okay to use

 

[The D]

These tiles were fixed using dispersion adhesive and this is exactly why I no longer use this type of adhesives in bathrooms or wet areas. I do use it in kitchens but I am moving more towards cement based adhesives for every thing.
I think if the local tile supplier is specifying dispersion adhesives for bathrooms and wet areas then it is your job to educate them. If they start selling cement based adhesives instead they may even make more money in the process as well as providing a superior product.

 

[mikethetile]

I would never use tubbed adhesive on porcelain no matter which brand it was, thats just my opinion after seeing a friend lose a lot of money when he tiled porcelain tiles on a commercial job with bucket sticky and the tiles were still moving after a week , he couldnt take his battens down or remove his spacers ,the builder condemned the job and he lost thousands of pounds it knocked his confidence so badly he jacked tiling in and went to work as a postman all because the tile shop had convinced him that it was okay to use

this is a shocking story gary
i think theres a real issue here with the advice given out by addy manufacturers
the salesman in the outlets are briefed by the reps from the suppliers
they need to trial the products to get the relevent bs accredation
i have noticed several posters asking for help stating they used pva as a primer because they read it on the tub
i also noticed that sovereign have also reccomended priming with pva above and ive read it on myself on unibond tub

experianced tilers are rejecting this as experiance has taught them otherwise

whats going wrong and who is regulating this

in the decorating game products are trialled by painters and feedback will keep products off the shelf

 

[diamondtiling]

These tiles were fixed using dispersion adhesive and this is exactly why I no longer use this type of adhesives in bathrooms or wet areas. I do use it in kitchens but I am moving more towards cement based adhesives for every thing.
I think if the local tile supplier is specifying dispersion adhesives for bathrooms and wet areas then it is your job to educate them. If they start selling cement based adhesives instead they may even make more money in the process as well as providing a superior product.

Wise words that should be digested and acted on.

Well said Deano.

 

[The Legend; Phil Hobson RIP]

I would rather justify, Myself to my piers on this forum. Than face a manslaughter charge in the future. Tub stuff not for me.:mad2:

 

[aqua blue]

Well, I must admit it was a kitchen I did with Unibond/pre primed. job completed over a year ago. 4mm ceramic tiles on plaster.

I was back at the same house to paint staircase recently and checked it and it was Rock Solid and this place a had uneven walls. So tubbed can't be all that bad with good prep and setting.

 

[Gazzer]

I use tubbed gear often but it has its limits. For kitchens with ceramic tiles i see no problem....but in a kitchen i may want to finish in a day....4m2 and grout ....you cant do that with tubbed adhesive. You need drying time. Use rapid set single part adhesive and you can clean up have lunch then grout.
I agree that i am moving away from tubbed gear more now and as for the claims of tubbed gear being "Waterproof" !!!!! I think not some how....water resistant maybe :mad2:

 

[aqua blue]

This one was a fully tiled kitchen. Wish I could do that in a day! :hurray:

 

[The D]

Well, I must admit it was a kitchen I did with Unibond/pre primed. job completed over a year ago. 4mm ceramic tiles on plaster.

I was back at the same house to paint staircase recently and checked it and it was Rock Solid and this place a had uneven walls. So tubbed can't be all that bad with good prep and setting.

The tiles in the picture were solid when I taped them and there was no cracks in the grout and the walls in the shower were not wet at all. The house was built 15 years ago so I am sorry m8 but your statement means nothing to me.

 

[aqua blue]

What adhesive, how old, what prep went into that job and who 'installed' it.

That makes a whole lot of difference to any statement.
You can give a man the best paint in the world and still get a bad job.

 

[The D]

What adhesive, how old, what prep went into that job and who 'installed' it.

That makes a whole lot of difference to any statement.
You can give a man the best paint in the world and still get a bad job.

Dispersion adhesive. 15 years old do not know the fixer or the prep but the point is it was a quality finish with sub standard materials.
(THE FINISH IS ONLY HALF THE JOB)

 

[united]

I use cement based addy for all jobs, Mainly because after reading information on this forum I don't want to take any chances and I feel more confident and comfortable using cement based.

I still think Sean's work is fantastic so keep it up mate

It does concern me when I read a tub of Unibond adhesive in B&Q the other day and it clearly stated to prime with PVA :yikes:

 

[The D]

im not knocking his work at all just the mats.

 

[united]

im not knocking his work at all just the mats.

Sorry I wasn't saying anyone is knocking his work. I understand and agree with the point everyone is making about the use of dispersion adhesive.

 

[aqua blue]

(THE FINISH IS ONLY HALF THE JOB) (the product is only half the job as well)

...Did you know that no one could play Jimi's guitar. lol

 

[aqua blue]

PVA :yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes: That's another story!!!! dilluted BAL for me.

 

[Gazzer]

(THE FINISH IS ONLY HALF THE JOB) (the product is only half the job as well)

...Did you know that no one could play Jimi's guitar. lol

Jimi could !

 

[The D]

(the finish is only half the job) (the product is only half the job as well)

...did you know that no one could play jimi's guitar. Lol

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[aqua blue]

Jimi could ! My point... Have a good day deanotile!

 

[Scott]

These tiles were fixed using dispersion adhesive and this is exactly why I no longer use this type of adhesives in bathrooms or wet areas. I do use it in kitchens but I am moving more towards cement based adhesives for every thing.
I think if the local tile supplier is specifying dispersion adhesives for bathrooms and wet areas then it is your job to educate them. If they start selling cement based adhesives instead they may even make more money in the process as well as providing a superior product.

Makes the hack off nice and easy though!

 

[doug boardley]

Jimi could ! My point... Have a good day deanotile!

completely lost me on that, maybe cos I'm only 5'6" that's gone right over my head:lol:

 

[mikethetile]

completely lost me on that, maybe cos I'm only 5'6" that's gone right over my head:lol:

me too and im 6':lol:

 

[aqua blue]

"Makes the hack off nice and easy though!"

Good point Scottley, I'm sticking with this subject for a while longer. No pun intended.

The victorians were well known for over engineering everything. Would you prefer to do a re-tile on something that came off easier or was a nightmare to re install.
People are much more transient these days and design conscious.

I was not saying that tubbed was better than cement based adhesive, just making a point that tubbed has it's place in kitchens. If I were to do a bathroom I would use a cement based adhesive. However, that's not to say that you coudn't use tubbed with a catering standard waterproof grout and solid caulking. (not in a wet room)

Not every job needs to be around for 50 years. That's why I have a more flexible view towards materials. I still will stand by the difference in good and bad prep and installation. Just looking at the walls on that picture tells it's own story with regards to preparation. No primer, dust, installation temprature, wall/tile coverage and application make a lot of difference. Did that guy/tiler have lunch with half a wall of adhesive ready for tiling? Who knows. deanotile in that case came in on a straight forward job.

I like those!

 

[aqua blue]

completely lost me on that, maybe cos I'm only 5'6" that's gone right over my head:lol:
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LOL.

 

[doug boardley]

lol, really explains it then!

 

[aqua blue]

Doug, the point was that Jimi had he's own way of playing that was unorthodox but he developed it. Did the job I think.

I'm not suggesting that anyone grout with their teeth, or any other projectile. LOL

 

[Gazzer]

me too and im 6':lol:

6ft 1 and i admit defeat too :mad2:

 

[aqua blue]

I think Sir Ramic has seen Jimi's famous angry cast. lol

 

[aqua blue]

Anyway to conclude... Sean seems to be doing something right and he's business is doing well with some very presigious contracts.

The proof is in the pudding... Sorry! I'm out on this thread.