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hi, i am a virtually retired tiler (58), legs back hips etc etc.
a friend carpenter (65) has been renovating his attached barn for around 5 years (still works full time)
he has asked me to help him lay 200 mts, 20mm thick, all 500mm x 1.00mt, 900mm, 850mm down to 600mm but all @500mm one edge.
the screed is anhydrite liquid screed on wet ufh, been down well over year, system has been run right up and down, now at a steady 15 degrees, its been sanded and sealed twice.
the main area is at a guess around 130mts the rest is a hallway and 5 other rooms, bedrooms and bathroom.
my concerns are the mat is kerakoll biotex anti cracking matting, ive never used it, only ever used dural durabase.
the info states to put down mat with a 6mm notch, my concern here is will 6mm notch of adhesive cause bellying of the adhesive? the mat is very thin, just seems to me the adhesive wouldn't flatten out, hope that makes sense.
in the big area he has been told by the supplier he shouldn't need any expansion joints, "i don't agree".
my friend wants to try and lay them with me, (ive always been a lone ranger) but he knows i might not be able to work every day, maybe not after day one, I'm in fairly bad shape with regard to knees, back and hips........so he thinks lashing clips may be of some assistance to us/him, there doesn't seem to be many i can find that work with 20mm thick tiles, plus would they really be able to level up lips on a stone that size, (ive never used lash clips)
he wants a 3mm joint i don't agree, i had a 1 hour look at the floor and tiles last week and on checking around 15 of the 500mm edges there was some variation, the smallest was 2.5mm different to the largest, that's without checking if the actually square and not splayed.
all the adhesive and grout is kerakoll which ive also never used.
not sure of the supplier but seems quite a reputable company from Lincolnshire.
he is wanting me to do it as he's seen my work over a 20 period but he also knows i no longer have the physical capability i once had.
the floor is really flat, i could only find around 2mm difference max, with a laser on the big area.
any advice guys tia.
 

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hi, i am a virtually retired tiler (58), legs back hips etc etc.
a friend carpenter (65) has been renovating his attached barn for around 5 years (still works full time)
he has asked me to help him lay 200 mts, 20mm thick, all 500mm x 1.00mt, 900mm, 850mm down to 600mm but all @500mm one edge.
the screed is anhydrite liquid screed on wet ufh, been down well over year, system has been run right up and down, now at a steady 15 degrees, its been sanded and sealed twice.
the main area is at a guess around 130mts the rest is a hallway and 5 other rooms, bedrooms and bathroom.
my concerns are the mat is kerakoll biotex anti cracking matting, ive never used it, only ever used dural durabase.
the info states to put down mat with a 6mm notch, my concern here is will 6mm notch of adhesive cause bellying of the adhesive? the mat is very thin, just seems to me the adhesive wouldn't flatten out, hope that makes sense.
in the big area he has been told by the supplier he shouldn't need any expansion joints, "i don't agree".
my friend wants to try and lay them with me, (ive always been a lone ranger) but he knows i might not be able to work every day, maybe not after day one, I'm in fairly bad shape with regard to knees, back and hips........so he thinks lashing clips may be of some assistance to us/him, there doesn't seem to be many i can find that work with 20mm thick tiles, plus would they really be able to level up lips on a stone that size, (ive never used lash clips)
he wants a 3mm joint i don't agree, i had a 1 hour look at the floor and tiles last week and on checking around 15 of the 500mm edges there was some variation, the smallest was 2.5mm different to the largest, that's without checking if the actually square and not splayed.
all the adhesive and grout is kerakoll which ive also never used.
not sure of the supplier but seems quite a reputable company from Lincolnshire.
he is wanting me to do it as he's seen my work over a 20 period but he also knows i no longer have the physical capability i once had.
the floor is really flat, i could only find around 2mm difference max, with a laser on the big area.
any advice guys tia.
Hi. What stone is it , is it rectified or not ?
 

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hi dave, yes its rectified.
polished sandstone.
Sound .. personally, needs more primer first seen as this route gas started, 2 coats isn’t enough for me. Hopefully it wasn’t too strong a dilution. ( skinning ) . Then I would use Ditra. For more superior a matting for stone work imho. Expansion joints .. yes most definitely, you should find they will be in every doorway. Lash clips , each to their own but I personally don’t use them.
 
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Sound .. personally, needs more primer first seen as this route gas started, 2 coats isn’t enough for me. Hopefully it wasn’t too strong a dilution. ( skinning ) . Then I would use Ditra. For more superior a matting for stone work imho. Expansion joints .. yes most definitely, you should find they will be in every doorway. Lash clips , each to their own but I personally don’t use them.

Thanks Dave, I think he does intend putting a 3rd coat on and he followed the instructions on the bottle, I don't know what the instructions were.
He seemed happy enough to put the expansion joints in the doorways but wasn't keen about the main area which concerned me.
I'll speak to him again about the matting, the companies tech dept are going to ring him today ref my concerns with the what seemed to me to be a low grade mat.
Thanks, Gary.
 

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Thanks Dave, I think he does intend putting a 3rd coat on and he followed the instructions on the bottle, I don't know what the instructions were.
He seemed happy enough to put the expansion joints in the doorways but wasn't keen about the main area which concerned me.
I'll speak to him again about the matting, the companies tech dept are going to ring him today ref my concerns with the what seemed to me to be a low grade mat.
Thanks, Gary.
130 mtrs is a large area ... whats the longest run in linear mtrs.
 
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130 mtrs is a large area ... whats the longest run in linear mtrs.
I'm not certain but around 15mts and the straight lines will run with the length.
The 15mts in part runs straight into the hallway of around 8 to 10mts but that full length is 1.5mts wide.
We are laying whatever matv he decides to use later this week but won't be tiling till after new year so there's time to persuade him or more to the point persuade his wife.
The kitchen runs off the main area with a full opening, it's all one room but there is a large square area off the main area "L" shaped sort of, I'd suggested one across that joint and at least one through the main area plus one across the entrance into then hallway, plus the doorways.
 

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I'm not certain but around 15mts and the straight lines will run with the length.
The 15mts in part runs straight into the hallway of around 8 to 10mts but that full length is 1.5mts wide.
We are laying whatever matv he decides to use later this week but won't be tiling till after new year so there's time to persuade him or more to the point persuade his wife.
The kitchen runs off the main area with a full opening, it's all one room but there is a large square area off the main area "L" shaped sort of, I'd suggested one across that joint and at least one through the main area plus one across the entrance into then hallway, plus the doorways.
Yep i agree. Stick to your guns.
 

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