Just used 365 drills for the first time - TilersForums.com

[White Room]

I was just thinking of what you could easily integrate into the existing design.

The smaller sizes could have sponges on the outside. Again, charged by dipping the whole bit into water. Whether this would work or simply soak the surrounding area with the centripetal force I don't know, you would need to spend some R&D with that one.

Also, another idea I had whilst using the guide, could you not incorporate suction cups to prevent us having to hold it? I know some people tape it into position but with water around it isn't the best solution.

Or maybe, you could develop a more robust guide that can be used for the whole hole, with an integrated water delivery system. By that I mean holes around the gude hole that expel water when you put pressure on the guide.

Now your getting complicated

 

[cornish_crofter]

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[pt44]

The smaller sizes could have sponges on the outside. Again, charged by dipping the whole bit into water. Whether this would work or simply soak the surrounding area with the centripetal force I don't know, you would need to spend some R&D with that one.

Also, another idea I had whilst using the guide, could you not incorporate suction cups to prevent us having to hold it? I know some people tape it into position but with water around it isn't the best solution.

Or maybe, you could develop a more robust guide that can be used for the whole hole, with an integrated water delivery system. By that I mean holes around the gude hole that expel water when you put pressure on the guide.

Cornish - don't take this the wrong way - but you seem to have totally missed the point of this product. Its a great product at a very cheap price. There are plenty of other products out there supplying systems that continually pump water onto the drill bit etc. They are far more expensive than the 365 system.

The 365 drills work FANTASTICALLY from my experience of them. So what is the problem?

Again - for the guide? Stick in on the wall? Why? You have to hold the guide up for approximately 5 seconds, just to get the first groove cut. Why bother sticking it up with anything? I don't get where you are coming from. You seem to be thinking that the guide has to stay up on the wall during the whole cutting process - it doesn't. 5 seconds max. One hand on drill, one hand on template. Sorry to anyone with only one hand - perhaps a different solution could be found for them. If your drill is too heavy for one handed use - might I suggest a lighter drill. I use a tiny DeWalt 12v with this system. It works superbly. Easy to hold in one hand.

As for the whole sponge idea - why? Following the procedure clearly shown on this forum of simply holding a wet sponge under the drill - and dipping the drill bit into some water - it works flawlessley. You just seem to want to over engineer something that already works. I really cannot understand why. Because it already works!

The drill bits don't even get very hot - I've touched them during drilling. You simply do not need to submerge the whole room in water to cool something that does not need that much cooling.

Bizarre. I'm not trying to stop you improving the product. But I can't see the benefit of trying to solve problems that don't actually exist with this product.

Paul

 

[cornish_crofter]

Yes the product works, and it works well.

I don't think I have missed the point of the product. I know it's a cheap to manufacture and cheap to buy product. Some of the suggestions would cost pennies to introduce. Agreed, this doesn't apply to all of them. I was only offering discussion topics.

The sponge inside was also suggested by Dave (IE the user puts one in), and Richard has acknowledged that a similar idea had been discussed with one of his contacts. Indeed it was Richard himself that said that his contact mentioned that it was the only system without integrated water delivery on the market, in this very thread. I take on board his response that he felt they were trying to over engineer the solution.

Someone else also suggested the tape, can't remember who, but that's what got me thinking about the suckers. As Dave said, riven tiles would not benefit.

I never said you would need to submerge the whole room in cold water before drilling, that's just being silly. I was just suggesting that tiles that are drilled prior to fixing could be drilled in water to prolong the life of the bit, and keep dust down.

I don't think anything I've written is Bizarre. You and others may disagree with its validity, which is fine, but, no matter how many times I read your post I can't understand why you padded it out with what some may read as digs at me.

Just your case for leaving the product well alone would have sufficed.

 

[pt44]

What can I say? I've clearly upset you and for that I apologise. It certainly was not my intention to do so.

As for attempting to have a dig at you - no, again, that was not my intention. My intention was to question your suggestions (and those of others) as to whether they added anything to the product - or were merely trying to over engineer a simple product and turn it into something much more complex and as a result of which - it would turn into something more expensive.

I'm totally not against spending money on good tools. Most of my tools are top end products from the likes of Metabo, so I'm certainly not after cheap tools. However, I still believe that the product in question is a great simple product. That if it can be improved - by all means improve it. But to my own mind, I cannot see how it could be improved, without it costing far more money.

Perhaps in my last post my sarcastic humour got the better of me, but I repeat that for example in the case of the plastic guide. I cannot see how it can easily be improved. It has to be cheap enough, because it will get worn. However, it only has to serve a few seconds use on each hole, so I really cannot see a problem in holding it using one's spare hand. As I said before, I could understand it being a problem if one was using a heavy drill perhaps. But if one used a small battery operated drill, then only one hand is needed on the drill - and the other can easily hold the guide. A small suggestion/improvement that I would love to see - but do not know how to implement would be to give the guide a non-slip backing. As my only (tiny, tiny) complaint would be that it can sometimes slide around, if one is not careful about applying the correct amount of pressure to it. But I really cannot understand the need or want - to stick it up on the wall using any method, since it only needs to be held there for such a short amount of time.

As for the sponge etc. inside the drill. Again, my thoughts on this are that if the sponge was made to fit, then it would become an accessory, sold at a price that would make it non cost effective. And if one was to make up pieces of sponge oneself, I can understand the reason for it, but I would think that the bit of sponge would simply get very blocked up with the waste matter - and need frequent replacing. Surely the point of the sponge is to keep water near the surface of the drill head. This could surely be better done by providing a spray of fresh and clean water by using a pressurised garden sprayer and simply holding the nozzle near the drill tip. However, its far easier to simply remove the drill head, dip it in some water in a tray/bucket - cleaning off the debris, then re-insert it into the hole. Since, surely having the drill head clean is the whole point. Cooling is also an issue I know, but as I said in my last post, from what I've seen and read the drill tip doesn't actually get that hot, compared to other drill types.

Sorry once again that by disagreeing with your ideas, I inadvertently upset you. It was not my intention. I do tend to write in a very blunt way (it has been noted many times in many forums) but I don't write just to upset people, I write what I think because I have strong opinions on subjects.

Paul

 

[cornish_crofter]

Paul,

No worries

TBH one of the biggest problems with forums is that, unlike verbal communication, you can't read the recipiant's response to what you are saying. No doubt others may wonder why I might have taken offence. I didn't think it was meant in that way.

Having said that, Moderating and contributing to forums has taught me that with the best will in the world sometimes we all need to think laterally about how posts can be received.

Your disagreeing with my ideas was not the issue, as I indicated in my reply

........You and others may disagree with its validity, which is fine........

But, writing in your most recent post

Sorry once again that by disagreeing with your ideas, I inadvertently upset you.....

May not be warmly welcomed by some :lol:

I do value the factual content though.

 

[larmar]

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