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DHTiling

Simple really, as the title say's..?

How are we being served in the industry and what can be improved to make it better.?
 
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Gall.B

Personally I think time served & all other trades for that matter have been very badly let down even before the economic downturn especialy the guys on site doing the comercial stuff.

We have had no protection or had a second thought tossed aside in favour of cheaper migrant & unskilled labour, even companys operating outside the U.K. bringing fixers here to work at a 20 year ago prices.

Feel badly let down by many governing bodies and people in higher power seen it all coming since 2004, dont have a problem with migrants and the 2 week coursers per say . its how we have been percived to the general public as lazy incompetent and working in a semi-skilled trade where as the migrants are the greatest thing since sliced bread, MYTH! There never was a shortage of tradesmen in my opinion also a myth.
 
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user123

Very interesting, Brian. I followed my son's education and teacher's influence during his schooling, and learning a trade was definitely perceived as, to put it bluntly, dumb person's choice. I had the same education and upbringing and remember my own despait when art or any manual trade for that matter was respected as a hobby but no more. Even my Dad who made great furniture had suffered under that perception, so this was the third generation of people being told that a trade was really no good, that it would lead to poverty and mistreatment by white collar workers. It is that conditioning, IMO, that still lingers, and tradespeople are bearing the brunt of the depression and aggression because they are perceived as someone that can be kicked, and their work being worth less than academic work.

My son, always handy with tools, studied sound and media technology and despite a 1.1 degree result found himself unemployed and faced with the reality that 'real' industries in real life want real experience, not some greenhorn fresh out of uni. What does he do now? He emigrated to Australia and is doing an apprenticeship in carpentry. To my mind a course of events that may well have had a different outcome if he had encouragement outside of the home, too, that manual dexterity and skill is worth admiration and respect, no more or less than any other ability.

And that lack of confidence in the worthiness of a trade rubs off on so many tradesmen, the kind of attitude, if 'they' think I'm a moron I might just as well behave/work/think like one. I listened to Mr Dyson speak once, where he lamented that invention and engineering has gone out of the country, and it's the same reason, and it's such a shame. What happened??, to make making and fixing things so unfashionable? It takes strong characters, strong conviction and the personal pride in quality work to make a difference in this tide of negativity, and the message has to change from school age onward, the message should be of pride and recognition of the trades. Those who determine the fashions and attitudes are those that have been conditioned all wrong. Conditioning can be overcome by personal contact and rapport and mutual respect, so that is the only way on an individual level the industry can change for the better and realise without its tradesmen and women there won't be an industry.
 
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Gall.B

The whole place is becoming one big call centre! I found my tradesmen to be great teachers not only in matters of tiling but teaching you respect discipline and the virtues of hard graft, something you dont get at uni, My wife seen us in a diffrent light a few years ago when she was studying at Glasgow uni when her favourite lecturer was lamenting about us Tilers & how he has much admiration for us.

Im a 4th generation fixer and love my trade, just so sad to see it become what it has the building trade as a whole.

My brother is a Carpenter and starts whistling the moment his tool belt is on again a proud tradesman, how is your son finding the career change?
 
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user123

The whole place is becoming one big call centre! I found my tradesmen to be great teachers not only in matters of tiling but teaching you respect discipline and the virtues of hard graft, something you dont get at uni, My wife seen us in a diffrent light a few years ago when she was studying at Glasgow uni when her favourite lecturer was lamenting about us Tilers & how he has much admiration for us.

Im a 4th generation fixer and love my trade, just so sad to see it become what it has the building trade as a whole.

My brother is a Carpenter and starts whistling the moment his tool belt is on again a proud tradesman, how is your son finding the career change?

He's loving every minute of it. Good for him. It took me a lot longer to finally do what really really lights my candle, rather than just what I could do. I like the account of your experience, that is how it should be :thumbsup:
 
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teo

Hello all.
I found this thread quite interesting.
I moved in the UK 3 years ago (to join my partner), when the so called recession was just starting.
I have been in the building industry all my life from when i was 16.
First thing i noticed is that in the UK, on average, tradesman are considered the "leftovers" of the schooling system.
Big difference since i come from a country where trades are well respected, diy is nearly non existent because having a skilled trade working in your home is a sign of "status" of some sort...then i came here and most people where shocked that i knew how to speak 3 languages, that i did 3 years of further education (as well as working) and that i am computer literate enough to teach kids fresh out of uni how to program with a pc.....
Just cause i do a "manual" job (that i love, choose it cause of its variety, money isn't everything in this world) i am usually considered a "stupid and illiterate" troll.
That doesn't happen always, cause i found plenty of lovely people as well, but the trend is quite...depressing!
I think all this "pushing" of education for the sake of it ( most out of uni can't bloomin do anything without consulting the internet first!) its not doing this country any favour; seems like just a big business for the universities and colleges.
Funny cause most tradesmen i have worked with here are very kind and quite resourceful people, while most "tycoons" are just ....troglodytes!
I don't want to make a "class" war now, that's just my experience.
Anyway, i think trades on average are very let down.
Thanks for reading.
 
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teo

Northern Italy, lake Como ( quite near George Clooney lol).
Although things are starting to slightly change here as well...
 
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user123

Northern Italy, lake Como ( quite near George Clooney lol).
Although things are starting to slightly change here as well...

Beautiful place I know it well. Lo sono tedesca :) :welcome: Mosaic artists also are used to getting more respect in Italy :) I don't know how it is now though.
 
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teo

They are still quite sought after apparently, the architect i do some work for find it difficult to find people to do them!
 

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