BAL bal rapid set flexi fibre onto ply.........

[scottie]

prime or not ?

the bag says no and so does the fact sheet but it just seems odd to me as up untill now ive been using topps own flexi with sbr on ply

 

[Dumbo]

I would prime . Phone bal and ask if it detrimental to prime I doubt they will it is . If you get someone who says it is ask them to explain why , this is when they have stop reading of the spec sheet and speak to someone higher up the food chain .

 

[Flintstone]

Overboard the ply!

 

[demi34]

You have to use prime undiluted first

 

[scottie]

thanks for the replies, to muddy the waters further ive found the BAL guide to priming,,,,,,,,,,,

https://www.*****************/blog/a-guide-to-priming/

 

[scottie]

Overboard the ply!

i did start to look into this but the cost and availability at short notice is putting me off, will need to go round some places and get prices etc

and then...... do you prime the boards before tiling or not,,,,,,,,,lol

 

[Bond]

If your overboarding with tile backer board, not absolutely necessary, if not, l would clean boards with a damp sponge to remove any dust particles.
However don’t see the harm in using a dilute solution of SBR, it’s what l would do.

 

[Brian the Tile]

Overboard the ply!

Why?

 

[Flintstone]

Less chance of a failure

 

[Andy Allen]

Quite a few adhesive manufacturers state not to prime some surfaces before tiling when using certain adhesive......

 

[Qwerty]

Why?

Do you not overboard ply then @Brian the Tile

 

[Flintstone]

Brain is stuck in the 90s with his methods Geoff

 

[Qwerty]

Brain is stuck in the 90s with his methods Geoff

But I did love the 90's. Spent most of my teens in the 90's. Great times!

 

[Brian the Tile]

Do you not overboard ply then @Brian the Tile

No i dont overboard

Do you not overboard ply then @Brian the Tile

No i don't overboard, now lets see how may say i don't know what I'm talking about, you don't need me to tell you all you can tile on ply just ask the adhesive manufacturers then you can all tell them they don't know what they are talking about either ,to some on here experience counts for nothing,don't know how i have managed all these years ha ha ha

 

[Brian the Tile]

Brain is stuck in the 90s with his methods Geoff

Are you dislexic if thats how you spell it ?

 

[Brian the Tile]

Any way Merry Christmas to you all ive been working my wotsits off while you have all found time to spend on here mmmmmmmm very strange dont understand all theese great tilers that spend most of there time on here,can only get on at night,must be doing something right believe it or not lol

 

[Qwerty]

Bad day at the office Brain!?

 

[Deleted member 49260]

Any way Merry Christmas to you all ive been working my wotsits off while you have all found time to spend on here mmmmmmmm very strange dont understand all theese great tilers that spend most of there time on here,can only get on at night,must be doing something right believe it or not lol

Modern methods are quicker, so they finish earlier?
<legs it donning nomex suit>

 

[Brian the Tile]

Bad day at the office Brain!?

Not at all Plan toc done and dusted oh and polished worked that hard i got a day in front,not often that happens,thought i was going to be having mi Christmas dinner with customers, .......g kitchen fitters

 

[Brian the Tile]

Modern methods are quicker, so they finish earlier?
<legs it donning nomex suit>

Not always the best option though

 

[Brian the Tile]

Not many fish biting tonight,mmmmm must all be busy

 

[LM]

Not many fish biting tonight,mmmmm must all be busy

Brian I kinda get where you’re coming from because for years we did things that worked just fine and made sense. One problem we have here with this situation imo is that not everybody is doing things by the tried and tested methods of old. One of the biggest culprits is the manufacturers of the ply sheets we are offered to work with. They simply aren’t what they used to be. The quality of ply by and large now can’t be compared to the ply that would have been the bedrock of the construction industry whilst I was a tea boy. Taking that into account the substandard material that we now have on offer to us we have to evaluate it and consider if it is in fact the best option and to be frank nowadays it’s not. In years gone by I successfully tiled onto ply, as it WAS the best option, now due to penny pinching, technological advancements and market forces the general quality of the ‘ plywood’ that’s on offer today falls a long way short of its predecessor.
So on that note I have to reccomend that we no longer consider plywood to be the best or cheapest soloition as a substrate to tile upon.

 

[hmtiling]

Not many fish biting tonight,mmmmm must all be busy

So you're not really this ignorant and stubborn then Brian but merely fishing? I bet you don't fix a tile without rls and fix to nothing barring Kerdi

 

[Qwerty]

Not many fish biting tonight,mmmmm must all be busy

 

[Brian the Tile]

Brian I kinda get where you’re coming from because for years we did things that worked just fine and made sense. One problem we have here with this situation imo is that not everybody is doing things by the tried and tested methods of old. One of the biggest culprits is the manufacturers of the ply sheets we are offered to work with. They simply aren’t what they used to be. The quality of ply by and large now can’t be compared to the ply that would have been the bedrock of the construction industry whilst I was a tea boy. Taking that into account the substandard material that we now have on offer to us we have to evaluate it and consider if it is in fact the best option and to be frank nowadays it’s not. In years gone by I successfully tiled onto ply, as it WAS the best option, now due to penny pinching, technological advancements and market forces the general quality of the ‘ plywood’ that’s on offer today falls a long way short of its predecessor.
So on that note I have to reccomend that we no longer consider plywood to be the best or cheapest soloition as a substrate to tile upon.

great post well put,but i know people on here think I'm stuck in the dark ages but believe me i wouldn't use anything in any customers house that i wouldn't use in my own home and most of my ground floor is tiled on ply ,good quality ply good quality adhesive and grout dont get me wrong i have used backer board also i dont have a problem either way but what i do object to is these know all know nothings telling me and good money paying customers that no you cannot do it like i say yours is a great post,i will await now the tirade of abuse lol

 

[Andy Allen]

Don't think anyone is saying you can't tile to ply Brian, of course you can, all were saying is there are better products out there to tile to rather than ply..
And as we're a tile forum then it's good practice to recommend the best products available....
Now if your argument was ply is a better product to use than cement boards, then I would have to say your wrong.
As always it's nice to have different views on any subject, and anyone reading the many replies can then make a more informed decision how to proceed with there project..

 

[Brian the Tile]

Another nicer way of putting things Andy Allen,great post nice to be nice about things,Mery Christmas, and the ply be with you lol,hoping we are all busy in the new year,by the way that fexi fibre is fantastic stuff and i always prime

 

[Andy Allen]

I'm off to sort brexit now...

 

[One Day]

If you tile onto plywood these days, you either have to use flooring grade SP101 or you have to have your head checked!
There is NO decent ply out there anymore. It's totally rubbish with paper thin veneers on the surfaces. Hence the reason for the introduction of SP101 graded ply.

 

[scottie]

here is a reply o got from the BLA ask an expert form when i asked about priming before using Bal rapid set flexi fibre on ply

"Thank you for your recent enquiry sent in via our Ask an Expert facility. For reference, please find attached our technical note on Tiling to Timber Floors. With regards to the priming of plywood floors, there is no need to prime the surface prior to using the adhesive. However, it will not be detrimental if the upper surface is primed with an acrylic primer, such as BAL Prime APD, ensuring a good bond has formed to the plywood."