Tilemaster Anti Fracture Matting

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Hi all,

Just about to do my first job using tilemaster decoupling matting, I'm gonna give it a whirl as my supplier is now stocking this instead of Bal rapid mat.......what are your opinions on this stuff if any of you have used it ?

Many thanks

Mark

 

[Qwerty]

Not me personally as of yet but I know @chris.tiling has and he rated it

 

[Qwerty]

A link for anybody who's interested.....
Anti-fracture Matting for Floors Subject to Limited Movement | Tilemaster Adhesives

 

[One Day]

I've used it. I'm told it's the same as the old pci stuff. Seems very well made although prone to stretching so I'd suggest unrolling it onto the adhesive instead of trying to lay it.

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Cheers for all the feedback on this one, will drop a post in with my opinion on the stuff after I've laid it today

 

[Ian]

I'm starting a job tomorrow with it, I'll give some feedback when I've had a go with it.

 

[Spud]

I rate it very highly , try taking a tile up once it has set on it and you will see how good it is

 

[White Room]

It was good to use and even better when troweling addy on it....

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Used tilemaster anti fracture matting today for the first time and found it time consuming compared to my usual choice of matting which is Schluter ditra 25 .....I just didn't like the material.......ill be sticking to ditra from now on or Bal rapid mat.............shame as I love tilemaster adhesives

 

[Ian]

Used tilemaster anti fracture matting today for the first time and found it time consuming compared to my usual choice of matting which is Schluter ditra 25 .....I just didn't like the material.......ill be sticking to ditra from now on or Bal rapid mat.............shame as I love tilemaster adhesives

What was it that made it time consuming, compared to ditra?

 

[White Room]

Bal rapid matt is the same ...nearly.

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Bal rapid matt is the same ...nearly.

I disagree with that......the Bal rapid mat is abit firmer and easier to handle as is Schluter......and easier to cut......this stuff was like a thin roll of carpet.....just a pain to work with.......oh well just not for me.............

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Let us know what you think when you,ve laid it bri?

 

[Lee@emctiles]

.....I just didn't like the material.......ill be sticking to ditra from now on or Bal rapid mat.............shame as I love tilemaster adhesives

This is an interesting one.......as im told theres not alot of difference bar the colour

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Tot

This is an interesting one.......as im told theres not alot of difference bar the colour

Totally different material in my opinion Lee........

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

View: http://youtu.be/cTn8cj6PZ2o



This is so quick to install and a far better product in my opinion......Bal rapid mat is the way forward in my opinion .....hope I'm not on my own here

 

[Ian]

Tot


Totally different material in my opinion Lee........

Yeah it's a very different material, I agree. I didn't find it particularly difficult to fit compared to the BAL mat but, the BAL mat is definitely stiffer (I think it has a mesh of some sort in it doesn't it?). Seems a decent product, I'll know a bit more when I start tiling on it tomorrow. So far so good.

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Yeah it's a very different material, I agree. I didn't find it particularly difficult to fit compared to the BAL mat but, the BAL mat is definitely stiffer (I think it has a mesh of some sort in it doesn't it?). Seems a decent product, I'll know a bit more when I start tiling on it tomorrow. So far so good. View attachment 80699

I agree bri,

Bal rapid mat is stiffer & has some sort of engineered mesh which gives it its durability and its lighter than any other matting I've used and easy to cut in around kitchen units, doorways etc....looking at the area your doing there looks a straightforward spread & roll which I found okay but just found it abit awkward cutting in with the tilemaster stuff around the kitchen & doorways.......

I started fixing on it today and it does bond well
but noticed the material fraying as I was working on it and I've only been on it a day......also found myself hoovering over it as I was moving from one area to the next as sweeping over it doesn't get all the dust etc up.......for these reasons I definately won't be using this product again.......can't knock tilemaster adhesives tho!.....I love the rapid flex & standard setaflex.........let us know how you get along fixing onto the stuff

 

[LM]

Has anyone used this yet?

Tile and natural stone laying

I just completed a large job with it and had to return to replace a few damaged tiles. That was a session I can tell you!
Imo this is one of the best uncoupling membranes I've ever used.

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Has anyone used this yet?

Tile and natural stone laying

I just completed a large job with it and had to return to replace a few damaged tiles. That was a session I can tell you!
Imo this is one of the best uncoupling membranes I've ever used.

Hi Lee,



No never seen that before.....looks interesting, what's the material like?.......and where do you purchase it from?......was chatting to another fixer today and he was recommending kerracoll anti fracture matting, didn't know they did one, I like to try different products.....what's the cost work out to per metre?

Cheers for the link

 

[White Room]

Has anyone used this yet?

Tile and natural stone laying

I just completed a large job with it and had to return to replace a few damaged tiles. That was a session I can tell you!
Imo this is one of the best uncoupling membranes I've ever used.

Sure my local supplier has that one....

 

[LM]

Hi Lee,



No never seen that before.....looks interesting, what's the material like?.......and where do you purchase it from?......was chatting to another fixer today and he was recommending kerracoll anti fracture matting, didn't know they did one, I like to try different products.....what's the cost work out to per metre?

Cheers for the link

Where I am most of the uncoupling membranes are more or less in and around the same price depending on the quantity ordered, between £7-9 per mtr basically.
The above product imo was excellent, it was very thin, 0.7mm and flat, so used very little adhesive compared to Ditra. It's similar to BAL rapid mat which I've used loads of, although it has a composition like that a roofing membrane in that there is a mesh like structure to it through a fleece like material. When I had to remove damaged tiles I honestly couldn't believe how hard it was to do it. I used a Botament system from start to finish, primer, leveller, adhesive, mat and adhesive etc.
I was very concerned about the floor I had to cover and their technical director for Ireland met me on site and gaurenteed that if I followed his spec that it would not fail. Having utmost faith in Schluter I contacted them and went over the particulars of the job with them in detail and they said they couldn't do what Botament claimed they could and that they'd never even heard of the company, which by the way is global.
Botament told me that their membrane is so advanced that it's the way all membranes will eventually end up like and to be honest I can see why.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give you the best feed back I could.

 

[White Room]

I'll check my local shop, I know they do Botament levelling system.

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Where I am most of the uncoupling membranes are more or less in and around the same price depending on the quantity ordered, between £7-9 per mtr basically.
The above product imo was excellent, it was very thin, 0.7mm and flat, so used very little adhesive compared to Ditra. It's similar to BAL rapid mat which I've used loads of, although it has a composition like that a roofing membrane in that there is a mesh like structure to it through a fleece like material. When I had to remove damaged tiles I honestly couldn't believe how hard it was to do it. I used a Botament system from start to finish, primer, leveller, adhesive, mat and adhesive etc.
I was very concerned about the floor I had to cover and their technical director for Ireland met me on site and gaurenteed that if I followed his spec that it would not fail. Having utmost faith in Schluter I contacted them and went over the particulars of the job with them in detail and they said they couldn't do what Botament claimed they could and that they'd never even heard of the company, which by the way is global.
Botament told me that their membrane is so advanced that it's the way all membranes will eventually end up like and to be honest I can see why.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give you the best feed back I could.

 

[One Day]

Ditra in my opinion is still the most effective option bar none.
Ok, it uses more adhesive - but that's part and parcel of it's design and function.

BAL RapidMat is incredibly similar to Wedi's subliner flex - aside from the colour - anyone else notice that?

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Where I am most of the uncoupling membranes are more or less in and around the same price depending on the quantity ordered, between £7-9 per mtr basically.
The above product imo was excellent, it was very thin, 0.7mm and flat, so used very little adhesive compared to Ditra. It's similar to BAL rapid mat which I've used loads of, although it has a composition like that a roofing membrane in that there is a mesh like structure to it through a fleece like material. When I had to remove damaged tiles I honestly couldn't believe how hard it was to do it. I used a Botament system from start to finish, primer, leveller, adhesive, mat and adhesive etc.
I was very concerned about the floor I had to cover and their technical director for Ireland met me on site and gaurenteed that if I followed his spec that it would not fail. Having utmost faith in Schluter I contacted them and went over the particulars of the job with them in detail and they said they couldn't do what Botament claimed they could and that they'd never even heard of the company, which by the way is global.
Botament told me that their membrane is so advanced that it's the way all membranes will eventually end up like and to be honest I can see why.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to give you the best feed back I could.

Will definately give this stuff I try.......thanks for feedback Lee.........

 

[LM]

Ditra in my opinion is still the most effective option bar none.
Ok, it uses more adhesive - but that's part and parcel of it's design and function.

BAL RapidMat is incredibly similar to Wedi's subliner flex - aside from the colour - anyone else notice that?

Botament offered a solution to a particular problem that in this case Schluter wouldn't. I swear by Ditra, however this product was introduced to me as a solution for this particular problematic substrate. I was sceptical at first having never heard of it before, hence all the on site meetings with technical support before using it.
It was new to me and I have to say that I'm very impressed by it.
I take it you've used the product on large problematic substrates before Imp and that's why your saying that Ditra is always better. Each to their own, but I'm always willing to learn.

 

[White Room]

Botament offered a solution to a particular problem that in this case Schluter wouldn't. I swear by Ditra, however this product was introduced to me as a solution for this particular problematic substrate. I was sceptical at first having never heard of it before, hence all the on site meetings with technical support before using it.
It was new to me and I have to say that I'm very impressed by it.
I take it you've used the product on large problematic substrates before Imp and that's why your saying that Ditra is always better. Each to their own, but I'm always willing to learn.

Would you continue using it Lee ?

 

[MW Smith Ceramics]

Hi Lee,

What was the problematic substrate you tiled onto using this matting out of interest that Schluter couldn't guarantee??

 

[LM]

Would you continue using it Lee ?

Definitely, one other aspect of it that I really liked was that it really did stick like s**t to a blanket to the floor, it also has the 100mm grid lines printed on it as well as the overlap line. It's similar to BAL rapid mat but seems much much stronger, especially when removing damaged tiles and I think it bonds better to the floor