Require a little advice please

[kilty55]

why use them in a shower or all wet areas that is the worst advise i have ever heard im 40 and have been tiling from 18 man and boy some advice on here just doesn't fit im sure bal & mapie & ardex would like to hear their products are not water proof

so you have wasted 22 years of your life then deno? if in that time you havent learnt that grout is not waterproof..merely water resistant then you are the one giving bad advice to your customers my friend.

im sure mapei and bal and ardex are quite aware there products are not waterproof this is why all these companies make,supply and sell tanking kits:mad2:

 

[nybor62]

Only stacking up problems, cost issue with builder not how it should be done now, understand why, but that is why two of my customers ( new builds)have had issues with their bathrooms one quite serious.
IMO not tanking just means a little ticking time bomb.

Sense is doing the job correctly, over time we learn that some things we thought were good practice are not, products improve, understanding increases and we hopefully gain.

im not condoning not doing tanking , it was,nt an option i was a subbie ,house bashing the company would,nt supply it ,& the builders wont pay for it

 

[lcjohno]

I think all you can do is offer the tanking to customers. Until its made a legal requirement there are going to be customers who wont buy it, they just think your trying to make extra cash. There are situations where you may walk away if they wont have it like in power showers but if its a low pressure electric shower with one person living in the house its unlikley to fail without tanking, imo.

 

[Olz]

David,

You can see the weight limits advisable for different substrates in this thread..
http://www.tilersforums.com/tiling-forum/13313-all-questions-i-asked-when-i.html

 

[obobsmith]

im not condoning not doing tanking , it was,nt an option i was a subbie ,house bashing the company would,nt supply it ,& the builders wont pay for it

I know that i'm not getting at you mate, I hope you are getting who i'm getting at. Please take no offence .

 

[obobsmith]

I think all you can do is offer the tanking to customers. Until its made a legal requirement there are going to be customers who wont buy it, they just think your trying to make extra cash. There are situations where you may walk away if they wont have it like in power showers but if its a low pressure electric shower with one person living in the house its unlikley to fail without tanking, imo.

Sorry this is a sore point with me, two "NEW BUILDS" both serious issues ,no power showers ,both wet rot crumbling plasterboord, mould in the area and damp in adjoining rooms. Both a couple one shower per day both shokingly wet.
So yes it WILL FAIL without tanking, it is our "duty of care" to make sure our costomers know this.
I will walk from this, more of us have to do this regardless of what is legal,it's not right.

Sorry guys I have been annoyed today some of you may click as to the source but the apparent goodness of PVA/tanking is a waste of time type threads are really just making me :yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:

 

[nybor62]

I know that i'm not getting at you mate, I hope you are getting who i'm getting at. Please take no offence .

none taken

 

[salmonfisher]

one that wasn't tanked

 

[lcjohno]

Sorry this is a sore point with me, two "NEW BUILDS" both serious issues ,no power showers ,both wet rot crumbling plasterboord, mould in the area and damp in adjoining rooms. Both a couple one shower per day both shokingly wet.
So yes it WILL FAIL without tanking, it is our "duty of care" to make sure our costomers know this.
I will walk from this, more of us have to do this regardless of what is legal,it's not right.

Sorry guys I have been annoyed today some of you may click as to the source but the apparent goodness of PVA/tanking is a waste of time type threads are really just making me :yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes::yikes:

I know what your saying mate but you cant just walk away from every job if they dont want tanking (unless you can afford to). Thats why i said you have to explain what could happen if they dont and the advantages of tanking. If every shower failed without it it should be a legal requirement, i think it is is some countries, i'm sure i've read that on here.

 

[mz30]

I think the tanking issue ,is a dodgy subject(always have always will).

For one i tiled my bathroom five years ago (never tanked), my shower is used daily and i have never had a drip of water or any problem.

Secondly i tiled my mums bathroom,18 years ago (never tanked)and she has never had a problem leak or nothing and all tiles are sound and still solid.

Now when i suggest tanking is when there area is constantly under water spray e.g,(a gym or swimming baths shower)something in constant use.

I cant agree that it Will Fail,it may fail, but it may fail even if its tanked.

Nothing is idiot proof.

 

[obobsmith]

I think the tanking issue ,is a dodgy subject(always have always will).

For one i tiled my bathroom five years ago (never tanked), my shower is used daily and i have never had a drip of water or any problem.

Secondly i tiled my mums bathroom,18 years ago (never tanked)and she has never had a problem leak or nothing and all tiles are sound and still solid.

Now when i suggest tanking is when there area is constantly under water spray e.g,(a gym or swimming baths shower)something in constant use.

I cant agree that it Will Fail,it may fail, but it may fail even if its tanked.


Nothing is idiot proof.

Water will get through your grout/addy and if the substrate cant cope with it ( plasterboard) then it Will fail it may take years but it is a little ticking time bomb that will rot plasterboard and wood , and that is fact.

We all have to make a choice I suppose but given that a disclaimer signed by your customer counts for nothing as you should have known better, as a professional I would rather not risk my rep or my liability ins.:mad2:

 

[diamondtiling]

I think all you can do is offer the tanking to customers. Until its made a legal requirement there are going to be customers who wont buy it, they just think your trying to make extra cash. There are situations where you may walk away if they wont have it like in power showers but if its a low pressure electric shower with one person living in the house its unlikley to fail without tanking, imo.

British Standard 5385 states that all wet, bath and shower rooms in residential and commercial premises must be appropriately waterproofed.....

in a nutshell........tanked.

 

[mz30]

Water will get through your grout/addy and if the substrate cant cope with it ( plasterboard) then it Will fail it may take years but it is a little ticking time bomb that will rot plasterboard and wood , and that is fact.

We all have to make a choice I suppose but given that a disclaimer signed by your customer counts for nothing as you should have known better, as a professional I would rather not risk my rep or my liability ins.:mad2:

Thats a fact,behave your talking worst case scenario at best mate,tanking systems are a newish thing mate,did all the tiles put on 20 years ago fail and rot everything in sight (no and that is a fact).

As a professional and i have been for many years,asking your customer to sign a diclaimer(private ones) is a massive no no anyway,as for risking your rep thats fair enough but your liabilaty insurance probably wouldnt cover you if the plaster board behind got wet if tanked or not.

 

[mz30]

British Standard 5385 states that all wet, bath and shower rooms in residential and commercial premises must be appropriately waterproofed.....

in a nutshell........tanked.

Does'nt say tanked though does it ,says waterproof so in a nutshell waterproof:lol:

 

[obobsmith]

Thats a fact,behave your talking worst case scenario at best mate,tanking systems are a newish thing mate,did all the tiles put on 20 years ago fail and rot everything in sight (no and that is a fact).

As a professional and i have been for many years,asking your customer to sign a diclaimer(private ones) is a massive no no anyway,as for risking your rep thats fair enough but your liabilaty insurance probably wouldnt cover you if the plaster board behind got wet if tanked or not.

Carry on mate, tanking is a "NEWISH" thing it probably came about for a fairly good reason, we should be taking into consideration worst case scenario,but If you are happy with what you consider good enough then thats your choice.
Are you aware that bikes now have more than one gear, it happended in the 1930's becuase it was better.:yikes:

 

[DHTiling]

Does'nt say tanked though does it ,says waterproof so in a nutshell waterproof:lol:

Define waterproof..?

 

[mz30]

Define waterproof..?

wa·ter·proof (wô

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adj. 1. Impervious to or unaffected by water.
2. Made of or coated or treated with rubber, plastic, or a sealing agent to prevent penetration by water.

n. 1. A material or fabric that is impervious to water.
2. Chiefly British A raincoat or other such outer garment.

tr.v. wa·ter·proofed, wa·ter·proof·ing, wa·ter·proofs To make impervious to water.



My comment that you quoted was tongue in cheek as is my reply :lol:

Maybe am being stubborn but,i just dont see the need for tanking on domestic showers,agree or not thats what i believe ,i have done this job for many years and never had any problems not tanking anything,all my clients always had my mobile number and home number and if me not tanking something was a problem am sure i would of heard about it by now,i honestly never have,and from personal experience (myself and family)i have never had a problem.

Maybe am wrong,maybe am right, but they are my opinions.
I post here my honest opinions like em or not.

Like i said if a i think a job needs tanking i will suggest it,if not i won't.

Do apologise to the original poster sorry for takng this off topic.

 

[DHTiling]

So tanking is waterproofing.. Thank you..:whistling:..


I always ask how often a shower will be used and if more than twice a day i insist on tanking, as the grout will not have time to dry and water ingression will happen.

BUT saying that i am all for is being compulsory in al showers etc.. cuts down on insurance claims..

 

[nybor62]

i totally agree dave , its convincing the customer though ,that your not just trying to bump up price ,which we would never do

 

[mz30]

So tanking is waterproofing.. Thank you..:whistling:.

I never said that ,was that silly dictionary:lol:

But to be honest insurance claims are not my game:lol:,all i can state is my personal experience the day am proved wrong is the day i will change my mind.