I agree completely, gooner-Dave. We used to have guns at home, and I like shooting, am good at it, always win stuff on fairs, etc, but I can live without it, and contrary to knives which cause enough heartache at least long range random deaths cannot be caused with them. But, of course it's not policeable, same old story, but yes, in my ideal world there wouldn't be any guns either. You never going to do any good with them are you? Not doing harm is not the same as doing good.